Gas Range on GFCI?

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I came into this kitchen remodel that has the hood, gas range outlet, bedroom plug (on the shared wall) and some lighting on a single 15-amp breaker. She's adding a microwave/hood that is labeled at 1800 watts.

I ran a 12/2 home for the micro/hood and was going to leave the range on with the lighting and bedroom but it's within 6 feet of the sink so it needs to be GFCI right? And I don't want a GFCI breaker on the lighting and bedroom do I? So I then thought that I would put it on with the new 12/2 (20-amp GFCI) micro/hood because it wont draw anything significant. Or would it be worth it to run another 15-amp home for just the range plug?

It just seems like a waste of wire and breaker space. But she is talking about a service change soon and it's T&M. I would have to tandem 2 existing 20-amp breakers so in all it would cost about $200 in breakers (2 GFCIs and a tandem) as opposed to $60 for the 20-amp GFCI.

Oops, just looked and a Siemens tandem is only $15. I thought it would be $60 but still... lol

Or am I looking at it wrong?

Thanks
Marc
 
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If gas range outlet also serves counters, whats wrong with installing its own GFCI outlet?

If gas range outlet is hidden behind appliances, not readily accessible nor serving counters, it only requires AFCI in kitchens, per local adopted code.
2019 California Code of Regulations Title-24 Chapter-3, 210.12(A), also known as "California Electrical Code"

Perhaps already covered by AFCI breaker for bedrooms, or first opening AFCI outlet device.
 
The range isn't on either of the counter circuits.
But maybe I have this all wrong. I thought the microwave and 120v gas range wold need to be GFCI if within 6 feet of the sink. But I think that I'm wrong.
 
GFCI within 6 ft of sink yes. But you have another issue. Any circuit supplying any kitchen receptacle cannot supply any other space. Or Visa versa, circuit supplying other space cannot be used in kitchen. Check 210.8, and 210.52(B)(2)
 
Fred B said:
GFCI within 6 ft of sink yes. But you have another issue. Any circuit supplying any kitchen receptacle cannot supply any other space. Or Visa versa, circuit supplying other space cannot be used in kitchen. Check 210.8, and 210.52(B)(2)
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The igniter for the stove is one exception that is allowed on the SABC.
 
mxlplx00 said:
The range isn't on either of the counter circuits.
But maybe I have this all wrong. I thought the microwave and 120v gas range wold need to be GFCI if within 6 feet of the sink. But I think that I'm wrong.
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Just put the range receptacle on one of the SABC's because it cannot be on with the bedroom. Ramsy is saying that in California the receptacle behind the stove does not require GFCI protection.
 
There's also 422.16 that says a plug-and-cord range hood has to have it's receptacle on its own branch circuit, so you can't put the range on with the hood.
 
Thanks all for your great clarification of this for me.

I have a tendency to want to put appliances with large steel exterior exposed parts on GFCI. I guess because I feel if there is an internal short and the frame becomes energized or something like that but I know that the EGC would allow the breaker to trip first. But still redundant safety when there is that much potential for a hazardous shock.

I like the idea of putting the range on a SABC and I've seen the discussion about receptacles behind cabinets not requiring GFCI even though I have not found the article for this. And everything we touch now requires AFCI protection in given areas (I believe offhand).

So if I put the Micro/hood on a dedicated AFCI/GFCI breaker (if I can find one these days) and move the range to a SABC that should do it, right?

What about the SABC I touched? Do I now put that on an AFCI also?

Does this look like the way to go?

Thanks again
Marc
 
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