Where do you NOT want GFCI protection in a residence?

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The cost difference of AFCI only breakers vs AFCI + GFCI breakers is typically negligible. In a residence, is there any place you WOULDN’T want to have GFCI with AFCI protection? I typically don’t do GFCI protection on a dedicated circuit for a refrigerator (as long as it’s further than 6’ from a sink) because nuisance trip will spoil a lot of food and people aren’t accessing that receptacle often. Where else would you NOT want GFCI protection on standard 15 to 20 amp circuits?


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I gfci everything.
If the gfci trips something’s wrong and should be fixed.
Added protection from load sign of breaker for entire line.
I see no problem with gfci everything, is it over kill yes, but it does add extra protection
 
Big issue been getting is for SD I've had trouble getting straight GFCI, only supplying the dual AFCI/GFCI breaker. Even getting a straight AFCI is near impossible.
 
Dsg319 said:
Changing light bulb while taking a shower lol
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Some time age I was helping to recruit students for the college that I went to. They had a meeting on campus and so they put me up in a room at the faculty club. These rooms were apparently used very infrequently over the years. Everything in the shower was made by Crane when the building was built in the early 1930's. When taking a shower I happened to look up and see a bare bulb that was lit and very easily reached. It was in a ceramic socket that was an integral part of the the shower enclosure. I guess they thought of things differently in those days.
 
Little Bill said:
I do not typically want GFCI protection on lighting circuits.
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I just finished a new construction job and I purposely did not use a dual AFCI/GFCI breakers on the bathrooms. Because each bathroom was on its own dedicated circuit the lighting and fan were included on that circuit. I used GFCI receptacles so that if that tripped the homeowner wouldn’t find themself in the dark, wet and naked, trying to figure out where things are and what to do.


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There has been and still is a resistance to having GFCI protection on receptacles for refrigeration equipment.
I don't recall if it was a NEC or local rule that, at one time, allowed simplex receptacles located behind equipment in GFCI dedicated area
that were behind equipment to be non-GFCI.'
I still have folks change out garage GFCI receptacles that supply freezers once the inspection is over.
 
augie47 said:
There has been and still is a resistance to having GFCI protection on receptacles for refrigeration equipment.
I don't recall if it was a NEC or local rule that, at one time, allowed simplex receptacles located behind equipment in GFCI dedicated area
that were behind equipment to be non-GFCI.'
I still have folks change out garage GFCI receptacles that supply freezers once the inspection is over.
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When my daughter bought her first house in 2008, the HI made a note on his report to the effect: “GFCI in garage should be removed if installing a refrigerator or freezer.”
 
oregon has amended gfci if fridge is in a dedicated space. Still don’t see how that helps ,if you do have leakage and your fridge is sitting on your concrete floor and you have bare feet. But o well.
 
AC\DC said:
oregon has amended gfci if fridge is in a dedicated space. Still don’t see how that helps ,if you do have leakage and your fridge is sitting on your concrete floor and you have bare feet. But o well.
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Yeah its a very bad amendment.
I have found there is a limit to how many devices you can have on a GFCI breaker and how long the circuit conductors can be.
This is due to appliances/ electronics having a small amount of capacitive leakage on the EGC, things like dimmers and occupancy sensors can put signifigant amount of ma on the EGC and it all adds up.
I have had fridges and freezers that trip a gfci breaker but dont trip a GFCI device.
I dont want to ignite the whole AFCI thing again but I feel like just having GFPE class B GFCI (RCD) breakers would be the ideal compromise.
 
Ya I can see the dimmers causing a problem. Most new houses have nuetral in the switch box so on them it should not be a problem.
The GFPE would be good for anything that does not serve outside.
Probably even in baths and kitchen since everything is Pex now.
 
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