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LarryFine said:
I thought it was the opposite, that a clock receptacle was allowed on the lighting circuit.
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The clock outlet doesn't fit in the description/location of what is permitted on the SABC's and without the exception it would generally end up getting put on with the lighting circuit for that area in most instances, though it could be on pretty much any general use type circuit that has no specific limitations on outlets it can supply. Code making panels must have decided they normally should have minimal enough load that it is ok to be on the SABC, same for the receptacle to power a gas range.
 
Rick 0920 said:
I'm sure it was determined to be a very minimal load to be added to the circuit, same as the outdoor receptacles. At that time, we didn't have the plethora of outdoor electrical features that remained plugged in all the time.
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I guess I should have worded it different. What I meant was why choose an electric clock and not a radio, lamp, etc.?
 
Is it a 3 prong cap cord on toaster that has electronic in it?

I've had a 3 prong trip gfi when removing the "off" device from the receptacle. Must be some combo of electronics in device (probably some capacitance) and how the prongs detach from the receptacle causing just enough mA to go into EGC and tripping gfi.
 
Every 10min?

Is it one of those self testing gfi units?
 
Little Bill said:
I guess I should have worded it different. What I meant was why choose an electric clock and not a radio, lamp, etc.?
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It's possible that it was included because a clock receptacle is unlike standard receptacles as it is recessed in the box. Therefore, when installed up high in the kitchen, you're not likely to use it for anything but a clock. Just my guess.
 
Rick 0920 said:
It's possible that it was included because a clock receptacle is unlike standard receptacles as it is recessed in the box. Therefore, when installed up high in the kitchen, you're not likely to use it for anything but a clock. Just my guess.
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Most the clock receptacles I have used in past 30ish years has been for something other than a clock. The recessed receptacle being one the desired features of using such a receptacle.
 
I'm looking for the link to find the nec on the NFPA site to find the current 2020 code. https://www.nfpa.org/ but can't find the right link, anyway.
I'm looking at a 2014 in front of me.
Talking about clock height being high, when or where did it ever say that clock receptacle had to be a certain height. I'm guessing you could put it a 15" above the floor or counter or up high or on the ceiling. It's just a single receptacle on the appliance circuit but someone called it a clock receptacle.
Just like the stove, but someone named it the stove receptacle
 
It's probably an AHJ call but a "clock reeptacle" is a specific type receptacle that differs from a standard receptacle.
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NEC free access. Login and then select the year.

NFPA 70®: National Electrical Code®

<p>90.2(C) Installations Covered.<br /><br />This Code covers the installation and removal of electrical conductors, equipment, and raceways; signaling and communications conductors, equipment, and raceways; and optical fiber cables for the following:<br /><br /> (1) Public and private...
www.nfpa.org
 
Thanks, not getting it.... tried free access,current and prior select, I'll try tomorrow thanks
 

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ritelec said:
Thanks, not getting it.... tried free access,current and prior select, I'll try tomorrow thanks
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hit the free access button, it will bring up another line asking which edition then hit "view" button next to that selection.

You need to agree with terms and also must be registered with NFPA to use their site tools, doesn't cost anything but may increase number of emails and/or snail mail you receive from them.

Current and prior editions selection further down the page lets you look at TIA's and documents used in code making process for those editions.
 
ritelec said:
I'm looking for the link to find the nec on the NFPA site to find the current 2020 code. https://www.nfpa.org/ but can't find the right link, anyway.
I'm looking at a 2014 in front of me.
Talking about clock height being high, when or where did it ever say that clock receptacle had to be a certain height. I'm guessing you could put it a 15" above the floor or counter or up high or on the ceiling. It's just a single receptacle on the appliance circuit but someone called it a clock receptacle.
Just like the stove, but someone named it the stove receptacle
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Here is wording from 2020. It never mentions height but it does include "and support of an electric clock" so they must intend it to be a type with the clock hanger hook on it.

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Here is the other exception for the range, again no height requirement just details on type of load intended to be served.
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and here is the main requirement later followed by a section that says no other outlets to be served by these SABC's. The clock and stove outlet are not covered by 210.52(A) and (C) and therefore need these exceptions to be able to be included on a SABC. But at same time it does not require them to be on a SABC, so they certainly can be on a general lighting circuit as well.

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What a thorough response. Thank you
I’ll try those links again at NFPA later and maybe even call their tech support.
I was able to get it last year ( or the year before )
I’m all signed up and agreeable but the page that looks like it should have the code writings is blank as shown in attachment

Tried iMac desk top (which did work a couple years back) and tried iPhone which does the same thing.

It’s all good. Maybe I should just bite the bullet and buy a book :- )
 
ritelec said:
What a thorough response. Thank you
I’ll try those links again at NFPA later and maybe even call their tech support.
I was able to get it last year ( or the year before )
I’m all signed up and agreeable but the page that looks like it should have the code writings is blank as shown in attachment

Tried iMac desk top (which did work a couple years back) and tried iPhone which does the same thing.

It’s all good. Maybe I should just bite the bullet and buy a book :- )
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They changed some things since 2023 came out, but the steps to get to it are still the same. I have had it give me white blank page a time or two, and presume it was technical issues, closing browser and starting over usually fixed it.
 
ritelec said:
Thanks, not getting it.... tried free access,current and prior select, I'll try tomorrow thanks
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ritelec said:
What a thorough response. Thank you
I’ll try those links again at NFPA later and maybe even call their tech support.
I was able to get it last year ( or the year before )
I’m all signed up and agreeable but the page that looks like it should have the code writings is blank as shown in attachment

Tried iMac desk top (which did work a couple years back) and tried iPhone which does the same thing.

It’s all good. Maybe I should just bite the bullet and buy a book :- )
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yeah, looks like a site bug.
Edit: it works, but that blank page took some time to load up the "terms of use" page.

Once you sign-in (aka authenticate) you should be able to create bookmarks for each year, and then just use each bookmark to go directly to that year code w/o needing to use their webpage stuff.
Just change the year at the end, etc

https://link.nfpa.org/free-access/publications/70/2014
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https://link.nfpa.org/free-access/publications/70/2017
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https://link.nfpa.org/free-access/publications/70/2020
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https://link.nfpa.org/free-access/publications/70/2023
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