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AC\DC

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I got dinged for not having pig tails on my made up ground. I see no were in code does it says I can't install pigtails after rough in and do it on finish work. He refused on rough in.
I have all my receptacles pre-made with pig tails. So this is dumb Their plastic boxes.

Plus if I left 6 inches out of the box technically I could wrap one of multiple egc wire to my devices.
 
AC\DC said:
I got dinged for not having pig tails on my made up ground. I see no were in code does it says I can't install pigtails after rough in and do it on finish work. He refused on rough in.
I have all my receptacles pre-made with pig tails. So this is dumb Their plastic boxes.
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The NEC does not address the timing of inspection procedures. That is strictly up to the inspector or local regulations.
 
Barney B said:
The NEC does not address the timing of inspection procedures. That is strictly up to the inspector or local regulations.
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I guess I did not think about it, since its not black and white he can make me since he AHJ even if its %&$^ stupid. I want to fight it since its stupid.
 
With a plastic box I see no reason why you need to install the pigtails for the rough-in inspection. The receptacle can be tested on the final with a plug-in tester to show that they're connected without even removing the cover plate.
 
jaggedben said:
Really? So screw that guy?
Seems to me it's either going to be you or someone working for a GC who may think twice about rehiring you.
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It’s not my job to take covers off. Inspector takes panel cover off. Inspector takes screw plates off. To check for depth.
Do you meet inspector on site and when he points at receptacle you remove for him.
So it’s not screw that guy, it’s not my job it’s his, to verify
 
AC\DC said:
It’s not my job to take covers off. Inspector takes panel cover off. Inspector takes screw plates off. To check for depth.
Do you meet inspector on site and when he points at receptacle you remove for him.
So it’s not screw that guy, it’s not my job it’s his, to verify
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Now maybe I am wrong in this understanding and I have to be with inspector on every job and remove devices and open boxes at his discretion. Though I have never ran into that in the last 15 years of doing this job.
My intention was not "Screw this guy" though so don't put words in my mouth
 
As an inspector who is on 2008 NEC still, it appears that (d) indicates that the conductor shall be arranged such that a connection can be made to the device. As indicated, I can tell if the conductor has been properly attached with a tester, and yes, I will spot check devices by taking a cover plate off myself. Normally I do not want the electrician there because it distracts me. If there were concerns, they should have been addressed during rough-in. If it is a new contractor, I always check a little more until I am comfortable with their work. After 33 years in a smaller community, I have the advantage of working well with most contractor, even though some of them do say "Screw that guy".
 
Hmmm 🤔. That I don’t know. Depends on situations. I see were your conming from. But then by that logic you have to make several trips during trim out because you put in the devices and should then leave off to make sure you have your clearances around box perimeter and is flush with Sheetrock then come back to put plates on. Among all the other can of worms that the process will cause.
This is if inspector does nothing but use his eye and no tools are involved.


I guess if it stated in black and white but, when it’s up to his whim. He no different than me some days I do it this way and some that way.
My way does not cause people time and money though. At least I hope not.

Either way I do get your points. I already fixed my issue.
 
When we had hospital finals all trades had to be present each with a crew for carrying ladders, tools, opening panels, ceilings, devices, air handlers, etc.... If an inspection was not done due to a particular trade not being on board I would hate to think what the consequences would be.
 
Canton said:
Exactly….it’s looked at rough in. Otherwise you are removing cover plates and devices on every outlet at Final
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Why would the cover plate and device need to be removed at the final inspection? The OP said that it was a plastic box. If the inspector plugs in a tester and the receptacle is wired correctly what would be left to look at? A metal box would be a different story.
 
infinity said:
Why would the cover plate and device need to be removed at the final inspection? The OP said that it was a plastic box. If the inspector plugs in a tester and the receptacle is wired correctly what would be left to look at? A metal box would be a different story.
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To verify multiple equipment grounding conductors in a box have all been properly terminated/connected

What tester is he going to use at a light outlet box? A switch box?

That’s why it’s needed at rough in
 
If it's metal boxes, how does the inspector know from an outlet tester if the boxes are all bonded to the EGC per code?

If it's plastic boxes that's definitely more ticky-tack, but then I guess it's for the sake of consistency.

The point is that if you show a neat job of your EGCs at rough then you really don't have to open things at final to show it's done right. I get that. Might be overkill but I get the idea.
 
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