Charging a customer

Therealcrt said:
Bro. I didn’t say upgrade the service. I said change the load center to a new one
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Once again you add more detailed—- after complaining—- now its exposed ser- we don’t use that crap around here everyone pipes it all.
Inspector would fail us on spot just cause it’s not normal. Ya your ways cheaper but 750 might as well go work for someone

Around here if panel is changed also the ridgid mast and the wire and guide get replaced.

For what you got 1500
 
AC\DC said:
Once again you add more detailed—- after complaining—- now its exposed ser- we don’t use that crap around here everyone pipes it all.
Inspector would fail us on spot just cause it’s not normal. Ya your ways cheaper but 750 might as well go work for someone

Around here if panel is changed also the ridgid mast and the wire and guide get replaced.

For what you got 1500
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No, first I never said replacing any of the service at all. So why revert to changing the riser? And what do you mean lmao if someone simply had an old fault panel and wants a new one with reliable breakers you guys re do the entire service? lol yall must not get a lot of work around there if that’s what you do.. I said replace a panel with a new one sheesh. And yea SER is code compliant but I never said it wasn’t piped in either. If it’s from the back of the meter to the back of the panel it’s usually piped in, if it’s an older home and it comes in from the top it’s usually 90’d from the back of the meter right into the top of the panel so where did you get the idea that I said it wasn’t piped in?
 
Therealcrt said:
Yall must not have done this very often. SEC usually come right into the back or top of the load center from the meter. Easily just disconnect everything from the breakers label then remove the old can put up the new can re land everything call it done. I get these done in like 2.5 hours. As long as SEC are long enough I usually have to splice some of the branch circuits but it’s very simple and to people I know or like I only charge like $750
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We don’t have separate meters and load centers where I am.

Surge protectors are almost $300. New breakers, even without AFCI/GFCI are a couple Hundo. Panel is $300. Mast and conductors are $100 at least. Permit is $150.

Takes me a day when I have to dance around pg&e requirements, like extending 20 circuits. Then wait for disconnect, reconnect, and inspection. And I don’t work for $75/hour.

Do what you like, but charging more than you would charge don’t make a guy crazy. Assuming it’s even an apples to apples comparison.

I should have been $3,200 for the one I just did.
 
Therealcrt said:
Yall must not have done this very often. SEC usually come right into the back or top of the load center from the meter. Easily just disconnect everything from the breakers label then remove the old can put up the new can re land everything call it done. I get these done in like 2.5 hours. As long as SEC are long enough I usually have to splice some of the branch circuits but it’s very simple and to people I know or like I only charge like $750
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Looks like you won the bid. I think I'll go mow the lawn, or maybe go fishing.
 
Therealcrt said:
In Kansas City a costumer wants me to replace existing 100a panel in a home with a newer one. What would some of y’all charge for that? Probably just a 24 space panel with a 100a main breaker
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do you need the job/ will it lead to more work?
 
Therealcrt said:
No, first I never said replacing any of the service at all. So why revert to changing the riser? And what do you mean lmao if someone simply had an old fault panel and wants a new one with reliable breakers you guys re do the entire service? lol yall must not get a lot of work around there if that’s what you do.. I said replace a panel with a new one sheesh. And yea SER is code compliant but I never said it wasn’t piped in either. If it’s from the back of the meter to the back of the panel it’s usually piped in, if it’s an older home and it comes in from the top it’s usually 90’d from the back of the meter right into the top of the panel so where did you get the idea that I said it wasn’t piped in?
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I’ll sub out to you and go fishing with ptonspark
 
Therealcrt said:
No, first I never said replacing any of the service at all. So why revert to changing the riser? And what do you mean lmao if someone simply had an old fault panel and wants a new one with reliable breakers you guys re do the entire service? lol yall must not get a lot of work around there if that’s what you do.. I said replace a panel with a new one sheesh. And yea SER is code compliant but I never said it wasn’t piped in either. If it’s from the back of the meter to the back of the panel it’s usually piped in, if it’s an older home and it comes in from the top it’s usually 90’d from the back of the meter right into the top of the panel so where did you get the idea that I said it wasn’t piped in?
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Because around here everything is piped if we have exposed SER inspector would look at us like were morons- even though we can. Just they way it is- So if you don't give details ill assume it the way I do it here. Make sense yet.
 
Therealcrt said:
Yall must not have done this very often. SEC usually come right into the back or top of the load center from the meter. Easily just disconnect everything from the breakers label then remove the old can put up the new can re land everything call it done. I get these done in like 2.5 hours. As long as SEC are long enough I usually have to splice some of the branch circuits but it’s very simple and to people I know or like I only charge like $750
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$750 for 2.5hrs+trip fee + materials?
Even if no grounding work or SEC or meter work or spd or permit, that's cheap. $400 wholesale on materials, $520 with markup leaves you with $230 for labor for 3 hours. Is this typical for kcmo? I thought they were a bit better paid there. Either way I'm usually at least 2-3x materials cost for total.

Not much point in giving my exact ¢$€ since wages are different, but half day plus $520 if that's all it is. I'm not bidding these low, handymen can't touch it, unlicensed side jobbers even shy from it. Why drag your prices down? Last one I bid like this was $1500ish.

Usually needs grounding and SEC remediation, but that's an up charge sure.
 
I'm in STL not KC. Not sure, but I'd expect our market to bear prices 20% higher than you. Just a hunch.

I work for a company with more overhead but more resources. I won't give prices, but if you deliver professional services customers will accept higher rates.

The cheap contractors here charge at least 2k for a simple panel swap and updating the grounding. $750 here and you're working for free.
 
STLsparky said:
I'm in STL not KC. Not sure, but I'd expect our market to bear prices 20% higher than you. Just a hunch.

I work for a company with more overhead but more resources. I won't give prices, but if you deliver professional services customers will accept higher rates.

The cheap contractors here charge at least 2k for a simple panel swap and updating the grounding. $750 here and you're working for free.
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$750 is getting to be high enough to not cover much more than materials even on some the simplest panel change outs. If there is AFCI's involved it probably not covering materials.

I always say something when I pick up items at supply house and the total invoice is under ~$1000. Don't seem like I ever spend less than that on an order anymore. And sad thing is you look at what you picked up and kind of wonder if you actually received everything. $1000 of electrical construction materials doesn't typically take up much space these days.
 
Also note that advertising costs for one of these jobs can be easily $150-250 on average. So for a "simple" swap, it's $500 in materials and $200 in advertising. Selling that for $750 is nutty, whatever local wages may be.
 
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