Outlet at the AC Condenser?

grich said:
In my area, the copper thieves steal battery-powered saws from contractors to do this.

At any rate, if you're worried about unauthorized use of exterior receptacles, just flip the breaker off.
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Breaker is also outside in many those west coast cities though ;)
 
grich said:
In my area, the copper thieves steal battery-powered saws from contractors to do this.

At any rate, if you're worried about unauthorized use of exterior receptacles, just flip the breaker off.
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I was working in a house a few years ago. I was looking for one of my tools and thought I had left it at the shop. When I got to the shop, I didn't find it. I started looking through my van and noticed more tools missing. One of which was my battery operated sawz-all. I called the police to report the theft. The officer I spoke to said he had my sawz-all. I asked where he got it. There was a store across a field from the house I was working at. The thief had got into my van and took it and other tools. Then he walked back to the store and used the saw to cut off a catalytic converter!

The owner of the truck that the converter was cut off was in the store at the time. The officer speculated that the thief got spooked and just left my saw there. Along with my other tools, he also stole a weedeater and chainsaw out of the truck he cut the converter off of. I never lock my van in a quite neighborhood so the thief just opened it up and took what he wanted. The store was on a busy highway and the police think the thief stopped there and wasn't from here. They checked with all their usual suspects and came to the conclusion that the thief was just passing through.

I told the officer it was lucky for the thief (unlucky for me) that I didn't see him doing it as I carry protection. The officer said "let me tell you something" I thought, he is going to tell me I shouldn't be carrying. But he continued with "if you ever catch someone doing this to you again, just drop them where they stand and don't even call us! We are tired of catching these guys only to have them released to do it again!"
 
Little Bill said:
I was looking for one of my tools and thought I had left it at the shop. When I got to the shop, I didn't find it. I started looking through my van and noticed more tools missing.
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Been there.
Funny how we start questioning ourselves first then slowly start finding more and more things missing.

Jap>
 
LarryFine said:
No, unless you want to run it as a feeder. You need one 240v circuit and one 120v circuit.
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Does an HVAC unit typically require an individual branch circuit?

If not, 210.63 doesn't require an individual branch circuit, so if the load calc works, I don't see why they couldn't be on the same branch circuit. Would require a double pole breaker per 210.4(C) Exception 2.

Cheers, Wayne
 
wwhitney said:
Does an HVAC unit typically require an individual branch circuit?

If not, 210.63 doesn't require an individual branch circuit, so if the load calc works, I don't see why they couldn't be on the same branch circuit. Would require a double pole breaker per 210.4(C) Exception 2.

Cheers, Wayne
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Some smaller units may not. Most have MCA and MOCP that simply won't really work out to have much for other load on the circuit with them unless it is going to be totally non coincidental loading and is something that can fit in with that MOCP of the circuit.

If you have say a 20 amp breaker and it is a rooftop or other limited access area where the unit is located, I sort of have no issue with supplying the required receptacle from line side of the unit disconnect as it isn't too likely to get any usage other than if servicing the unit, and in that situation the unit likely won't be loading the circuit so it is non coincidental loading. If you have over a 20 amp breaker you are in situation where you will need to have additional overcurrent protection and then it is no longer an individual branch circuit but rather a feeder circuit for the main supply.
 
With the change of weather conditions - higher humidity levels, the Evaporator Coolers in Southern California have gone the way of the dinosaurs. They don't work anymore in Palm Springs - too may golf courses and the beach communities now need AC (Air Conditioning) and our deserts.
 
mtnelect said:
With the change of weather conditions - higher humidity levels, the Evaporator Coolers in Southern California have gone the way of the dinosaurs. They don't work anymore in Palm Springs - too may golf courses and the beach communities now need AC (Air Conditioning) and our deserts.
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Are you sure people aren't just more wimpy?

I was fine growing up without much for air conditioning. My parents didn't install AC in the house until after I had moved out. Temperatures and humidity still average out about the same now as they did then. I can't take the heat like I used to though.
 
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kwired said:
Are you sure people aren't just more wimpy?

I was fine growing up without much for air conditioning. My parents didn't install AC in the house until after I had moved out. Temperatures and humidity still average out about the same now as they did then. I can't take the heat like I used to though.
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Next you'll tell us you're 16. Lol !!!

Jap>
 
jap said:
No, just joking that without knowing how old you are, it may not have been that long ago. :)

Jap>
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Well then, I don't know how long since I joined this site but probably sort of close or even beyond 16 years now. I'm almost 57 BTW.
 
kwired said:
Well then, I don't know how long since I joined this site but probably sort of close or even beyond 16 years now. I'm almost 57 BTW.
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We're cut from the same cloth for sure. (y)
I grew up without A/C also and feel the same about the heat as you do.

Jap>
 
Eddie702 said:
Existing outlets can be used for an AC condenser but I think there is a maximum distance requirement. You would have to check the code book as mine is not handy at the moment.

Evaporative coolers do not use refrigerant like an ac condenser does. You would only find them in hot climate with low humidity like AZ, CA etc.
They just evaporate water. Some refer to them as swamp coolers.
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You would pay through the nose for the water though… Water is the new gold in California and Arizona.
 
jap said:
Been there.
Funny how we start questioning ourselves first then slowly start finding more and more things missing.

Jap>
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This morning I went out to the car and saw that my passenger door was all wet. There was an empty plastic water bottle on it, but I had thought it was empty when I put it there, so I couldn’t figure out where the water came from. I had my big SS job site water bottle with water in it in the back with my tool bag (or so I thought). Then I went to plug in my phone and the cord was gone. I NEVER take that cord out, I have others. So I knew something was wrong and looked around better, sure enough, everything else was gone from the back. I didn’t have much in that bag though, maybe $150 worth of old hand tools and a cheap multimeter. Don’t know how they got in though, I know it was locked, so now I suspect my key was cloned. The thing that really got me though was that the thief apparently poured out a quart of water from my bottle onto the front passenger seat! I mean come on, WHY??? The ground was right there!
 
This happened when the Fed's started limiting R22, and the price for a 30-pound cylinder was around $1,000.00. I was looking out of my office window and enjoying the beautiful weather, when a car drove up next to my service truck and snatched the full R22 cylinder and drove off. Then a week later, I went to retrieve a metal trash can in my side yard with scrap wire and all the wire was gone. So, I decided it was time for me to change my game plan.
 
mtnelect said:
This happened when the Fed's started limiting R22, and the price for a 30-pound cylinder was around $1,000.00. I was looking out of my office window and enjoying the beautiful weather, when a car drove up next to my service truck and snatched the full R22 cylinder and drove off. Then a week later, I went to retrieve a metal trash can in my side yard with scrap wire and all the wire was gone. So, I decided it was time for me to change my game plan.
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Nothing was ever stolen before they messed with R22?
 
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