Kitchen/Bathroom GFCI accessibility requirements

curt swartz said:
If the inspector interprets the definition to require GFCI's in the same room they should also be requiring AFCI's to be in the same room. Both are required to be readily accessible.
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For that matter using the inspectors off the wall interpretation how's he letting the service disconnecting means get by?
 
ptonsparky said:
Where would I put a panel at grain bins?
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Be nice if they could go indoors right? Almost never happens on the farm. Commercial places with grain storage, it sometimes happens.

Farmers aren't always great at closing or replacing covers. Guess that makes more work for people like me after time goes on.

I have been to farms where there was no cover on some piece of equipment and when digging some new line in ended up uncovering the missing cover that lay on the ground until dirt ended up covering it. Happens easily in sandy soil locations.
 
electrofelon said:
I was about to give my common "the inspector is a moron" response, but reviewing the definition, I think I have to agree with him, and instead place blame on the incompetent CMP's who can't come up with clear coherent non vague code articles and definitions.
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I agree there may be some vagueness there but also don't see anything stating it must be in same room as what is protected. Inspector still a moron.
 
Hey guys,
Just to close this out. I heard back from the building official who agreed that GFCIs at the panel were compliant although not something that is typically done in the area (there are many older houses and older residents). He mentioned that most of the owners expect the GFCIs to be on the counter and that's the reason for the initial back and forth. Most of the work in the area is just a kitchen or bath replacement and not a complete rebuild in place like we did and they like to ensure familiarity for the owner so I do kinda see the point.

Thanks for the discussion on the matter.
 
spencert said:
Hey guys,
Just to close this out. I heard back from the building official who agreed that GFCIs at the panel were compliant although not something that is typically done in the area (there are many older houses and older residents). He mentioned that most of the owners expect the GFCIs to be on the counter and that's the reason for the initial back and forth. Most of the work in the area is just a kitchen or bath replacement and not a complete rebuild in place like we did and they like to ensure familiarity for the owner so I do kinda see the point.

Thanks for the discussion on the matter.
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Sounds like a bunch of people just woke up from a 20 year nap 😴
 
hbiss said:
Dang, the bedroom lights went out again. Get my walker, umbrella and a flashlight maw, I have to go out in the bushes to check that dang breaker!

-Hal
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In many parts of the country they would need to go down 2 flights of stairs into to a dark possibly wet basement. :LOL:
 
spencert said:
Hey guys,
Just to close this out. I heard back from the building official who agreed that GFCIs at the panel were compliant although not something that is typically done in the area (there are many older houses and older residents). He mentioned that most of the owners expect the GFCIs to be on the counter and that's the reason for the initial back and forth. Most of the work in the area is just a kitchen or bath replacement and not a complete rebuild in place like we did and they like to ensure familiarity for the owner so I do kinda see the point.

Thanks for the discussion on the matter.
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Sounds like one of those inspectors that like to use the "the way I like it done" method of inspecting. They don't really have a code reason, just don't like the way you do it. I've dealt with a few of them.
 
curt swartz said:
Well...................
In many parts of the country they would need to go down 2 flights of stairs into to a dark possibly wet basement. :LOL:
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And in parts of the country you have to go outside to pee and poop. :poop: Doesn't mean it has to be that way.

I always said that if it wasn't for codes there would be builders who still built houses without bathrooms because they would save money.

-Hal
 
ramsy said:
Did you get more discrepancies elsewhere?
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No, I definitely pushed the boundaries of what they were used to seeing, all the lighting is canless M2 and M4s from Nora, dimmers are Lutron Radio RA3 which e.g. requires separate occupancy sensors, there are contactors for patio heaters tied into the Lutron system and a few other oddball things here and there. There's also a ton of low voltage too. As long as I could back up what I wanted to do with actual code references and answer any questions intelligently, the building official and the few inspectors here have been easy to get along with.
 
spencert said:
No, I definitely pushed the boundaries of what they were used to seeing, all the lighting is canless M2 and M4s from Nora, dimmers are Lutron Radio RA3 which e.g. requires separate occupancy sensors, there are contactors for patio heaters tied into the Lutron system and a few other oddball things here and there. There's also a ton of low voltage too. As long as I could back up what I wanted to do with actual code references and answer any questions intelligently, the building official and the few inspectors here have been easy to get along with.
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"Son, you ain't from around here are ya? Let me give you a word of advice: we don't take kindly to your type coming around here and putting in your fancy lutron stuff and your can-less LED lights. Jesus was born under a good ol incandescent light and that's the way we still want things done 'round here."
 
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