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Have a 208v 2pole breaker feeding a trailer panel. All the info I have. Trying to do a VD calculation. I assume it would be single phase?

I have to bring 100A to a trailer that is 500' away. Using AL SER cable with VD calculations is telling me I need 400mcm....WOW. Not sure of that's right.

Whatever the trailer OCPD amperage is I need to being wire that matches that OCPD amperage correct?
 
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A 2-pole circuit breaker would be 1Ø. If you're using 100 amp for the VD calculation it could be 500 kcmil with less than 3% VD.
 
I agree but all the GC field super said was to being over 100A.

So back to my other question... if the trailer main breaker is 100A that does not mean you need to bring over 100A wire?
 
I agree but all the GC field super said was to being over 100A.

So back to my other question... if the trailer main breaker is 100A that does not mean you need to bring over 100A wire?
The trailer main breaker size is irrelevant. What size OCPD is protecting the feeder? Like Tom stated given them whatever they're willing to pay for. If they want 100 amps run 500 kcmil.
 
100A is the trip rating of the breaker, not the actual connected load. When someone is asking for a '100A panel', they rarely will ever actually use the full 100A of capacity. This is why you really need to know the expected loading. And unless you have an energy code to deal with, you also need to know the voltage drop that the equipment can reasonably tolerate. Some stuff is just fine with a 10% voltage drop.

The customer might want 100A of capacity for a once in a blue moon event, eg. initial cooldown of a hot refrigerated trailer, or keeping resistance heat running on the coldest design day, and then only actually use 20A of capacity on a continuous basis. Or they might only need 20A and like the idea of having a 100A panel.

IMHO a reasonable compromise is to run a wire that _both_ has acceptable voltage drop during expected regular loading (either the calculated average load, or frequently repeated peak loads such as AC starting), and a minimum ampacity of 100A, protected by 100A at the supply side. Another reasonable compromise is to have a wire that meets the voltage drop criteria, has a calculated load less than 95A, and an ampacity of 95A protected by 100A breakers.

Another thing to keep in mind: if you are running 208V 'single phase', you have to keep in mind that this is really 2 phases of a 3 phase system, and the neutral will not balance for 120V loads. You will have voltage drop on the neutral even for _balanced_ 120V loading. Most likely with a 100A panel in a trailer they are expecting significant L-L loading, but again we don't actually know the true loads.
 
Not knowing the specifics of the job there are Two possible "red flags"
SER cable can nor be used underground even in a raceway.
A "trailer" requires an insulated equipment ground.
 
Augie, do you have a code section regarding feeding a construction trailer with SE cable?
Obviously since you asked, I could be mistaken but I base my assumption on:

550.4 in part...
contractor’s on-site offices, construction job dormitories, mobile studio dressing rooms, banks, clinics, mobile stores, or intended for the display or demonstration of merchandise or machinery — shall not be required to meet the provisions of this article pertaining to the number or capacity of circuits required. It shall, however, meet all other applicable requirements of this article if provided with an electrical installation intended to be energized from a 120-volt or 120/240-volt ac power supply system.
 
I agree but all the GC field super said was to being over 100A.

So back to my other question... if the trailer main breaker is 100A that does not mean you need to bring over 100A wire?
Those guys don’t know, plain and simple. They think they do. That’s the problem.

We have a site with a lot of temporary job trailers.
Designers, architects, job super, etc told us the loading was 2.0MW.

We installed a 2.5MW 480 XF and recorded loading.
So far the highest demand after a year and a half was around 700kW
 
From the OP the feeder in question is 208 volts. Is Article 550 for mobile and manufactured "homes"?
It's probably a moot point as I referenced the '17 Code (still in effect in most of TN). My attempt was for the OP to avoid a problem.
As noted, the part I quoted did specifically mention "contractors on site office" being covered by Art 550 however I see in the 2023 that Section no longer exists and those seem to be covered by Art 545 which does not have a wiring method restriction.
 
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