Pool Panel and ATS

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LazyElectrician

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I am installing a pool panel from the main breaker panel. The issue is that panel is fed by Generac ATS, which turns that main breaker panel to a sub panel.
I know that you need to feed pool equipment from a bonded panel or a sub panel that has been fed with insulated ground. In this case the panel has been fed with SER. I am sure the inspector is not going to catch that, but is there a work around instead of changing out the SER. Thanks in advance.
 
LazyElectrician said:
I am installing a pool panel from the main breaker panel. The issue is that panel is fed by Generac ATS, which turns that main breaker panel to a sub panel.
I know that you need to feed pool equipment from a bonded panel or a sub panel that has been fed with insulated ground. In this case the panel has been fed with SER. I am sure the inspector is not going to catch that, but is there a work around instead of changing out the SER. Thanks in advance.
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The main breaker panel is using three wire SER from the Generac transferswitch? (Service rated) Apparently it was not inspected, so the inspector probably will catch it, not because of the pool, but because it should be four wire.
 
LazyElectrician said:
I am installing a pool panel from the main breaker panel. The issue is that panel is fed by Generac ATS, which turns that main breaker panel to a sub panel.
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So you have ATS / Service disconnect ---> feeder 'A' SER cable --> Main panel ---> feeder 'B' --> New Pool panel?

The 2023 code on pools changed a little, is NJ on the 2023?
but either way still it does not care about feeder 'A' .

Feeder 'B' to the pool panel would need to be insulated and copper if either its in a 'wet location' or 'corrosive environment' 680.7(A) (see definitions) otherwise 4-wire SER is fine, I would not touch it if it were 3-wire SE.

LazyElectrician said:
I know that you need to feed pool equipment from a bonded panel or a sub panel that has been fed with insulated ground. In this case the panel has been fed with SER. I am sure the inspector is not going to catch that
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Even if an inspector does not catch it the liability is still perpetually on us the EC, I think there was a pool incident in on the east coast where the culprit was corroded AL wiring.

EDIT found the case: https://www.edwardskirby.com/result/lifeguard-electrocution/
 
tortuga said:
Feeder 'B' to the pool panel would need to be insulated and copper if either its in a 'wet location' or 'corrosive environment' 680.7(A) (see definitions) otherwise 4-wire SER is fine, I would not touch it if it were 3-wire SE.
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That section is for grounding and bonding terminals, not conductors.
680.25 is for feeders. If the feeders are not in a corrosive environment, then any chapter 3 wiring method is acceptable. So the EGC can be bare.
 
Little Bill said:
Ok, I don't have the 2023 as we're still on the 2017.
Regardless, the details are the same no matter the code Article number.
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Htought 2023 change added wet location so now its if its a wet location or corrosive environment but perhaps that got added in 2020.
 
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