NEMA 14-50R receptacle for electric vehicle

A 50 amp receptacle should be good for 50 amps. Most of the plug in chargers are 32 amps. UL should be doing their job and pulling the listing from any receptacles not designed to carry their rated load. The NEC should not require a special receptacle.
 
A 50 amp receptacle should be good for 50 amps. Most of the plug in chargers are 32 amps. UL should be doing their job and pulling the listing from any receptacles not designed to carry their rated load. The NEC should not require a special receptacle.
While I agree that those leviton recepts are likely made too cheap, I conjecture that a large percentage of devices and electrical equipment would not hold up to 80% loading for very long in the real world.
 
While I agree that those leviton recepts are likely made too cheap, I conjecture that a large percentage of devices and electrical equipment would not hold up to 80% loading for very long in the real world.
Residential applications ( lighting, power, etc) are pretty forgiving. For the most part EV charging is about the only “demanding” load that there could be.

I realize AC can run non stop for weeks even months on end but even that type of load seldom draws 40A and being hard wired eliminates one more “ weak link”
 
Not a problem. Likely code compliant when it was installed.
Yes, code compliant at the time. I have worked on a number of houses of this & previous time period. Even worked on re-wiring one older house on peer & beams that used the old ribbon type TV wire. While crawling under it, there was a piece of ribbon TV wire that I started to cut, but decided to wait, cause it might help me pull in a new TV wire. When I took one base receptacle out, the TV ribbon wire was attached to it!!
 
Just my two cents....

Just tell your friend to buy a level 2 charger.

Between the price for the ev outlet and the GFCI circuit breaker he'd be better off.

Depending on the existing load he can get the full 48 amp of charging also.
Would you please expand on "a level 2 charger" ? Does it have 2 different charging rates or what ?
 
... which is on the list of the top 5 dumbest things the CMP's have come up.
Can I nominate the idea that a NEMA 14-50 receptacle can be protected by, oh, whatever the heck breaker size you want. Because well, stoves only need a 40A breaker?
The entire idea that NEMA 14-50 was a good idea for EV charging is another original sin bad idea that got taken too far without questioning. We could have done better, we could do better going forward. Look for a PI on this topic.
 
Would you please expand on "a level 2 charger" ? Does it have 2 different charging rates or what ?
Level 2 simply indicates 240VAC. They can range anywhere from 16 to 80 amps. Many can be adjusted. Those that operate at 40A or less can be cord connected and plugged into a 14-50 receptacle. If your customer is asking for a 14-50, his charger is a level 2. The post you quoted is confusing the issue.
 
Don, did the requirement for EV charging stations to be installed by qualified persons get adopted in the 2026 NEC. There was opposition to qualified persons language.
 
Don, did the requirement for EV charging stations to be installed by qualified persons get adopted in the 2026 NEC. There was opposition to qualified persons language.
(from the 2026 NEC) 625.4 Qualified Persons.
Permanently installed electric vehicle power transfer system equipment shall be installed by qualified persons.
The way I read this is that it would not apply to cord and plug connected EV equipment.
I am not a fan of any of the qualified person rules, as there is no real way to enforce them. The inspection authority has no way of knowing if the installer is qualified or not. The only thing that is even close is if the installer has a license, but that don't not necessarily make the installer qualified.
 
The way I read this is that it would not apply to cord and plug connected EV equipment.
I am not a fan of any of the qualified person rules, as there is no real way to enforce them. The inspection authority has no way of knowing if the installer is qualified or not. The only thing that is even close is if the installer has a license, but that don't not necessarily make the installer qualified.
Thank you.
 
I am not a fan of any of the qualified person rules, as there is no real way to enforce them. The inspection authority has no way of knowing if the installer is qualified or not. The only thing that is even close is if the installer has a license, but that don't not necessarily make the installer qualified.
I'd prefer if this had read "passed EVITP" for any EVSE, or "EVITP L2" for level 2 chargers at 60 amp breaker size or less.
 
The way I read this is that it would not apply to cord and plug connected EV equipment.
That was the basis of my NITMAM on this subject: by exempting cord and plug,
it will push people get permits for cord and plug rather than extra overhead of proving qualifications. Since hardwired chargers are easier and less error prone for DIY, this seems like a step in the wrong direction. See: NITMAM, which failed.
 
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