400A service

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Hi guys. Project I'm working on, I have an apartment building that has a 400A service inside the building. In the utility room it starts with a 400A 3ph main breaker. From there it goes in a 3" s40 pvc pipe about 100' direct to the city transformer undergound. We are working on putting a 400A fused disconnect and meter socket outside for emergency disconnect.

The bad part about this, previous electrican installed a single run of 250 URD in the 3" pvc pipe. How it got passed inspection and turned on is beyond me, undersized and no outside disconnect.

I only get the 1 pipe to work with, its buried under concrete. I did the conduit fill and if I did a parallel run of 250 AL thhn the fill would be 36%. I've done that before, but I regret it. There's 2 90s and an LB, honestly getting all that stuffed in a LB is a sob.

What I'm thinking about doing, is running a parallel feed of 4/0 AL thhn. If I do the derating is knocks me down to 320A, but if I put 350A fuses in my disconnect. Would this pass feeding the 400?
 
Also I'll add I researched the buildings load, and I could get away with 200A, obviously the last guy did installing that 200A feed. So anything I pull in over that and fuse correctly will handle the load.
 
Makes one think the original run may have been by POCO. That's what we would see here on a 400 amp service.'
If its a NEC install there is no problem with you having a 350 amp fuse ahead of your 400 amp disconnect.
 
Makes one think the original run may have been by POCO. That's what we would see here on a 400 amp service.'
If its a NEC install there is no problem with you having a 350 amp fuse ahead of your 400 amp disconnect.
Ok thanks augie. Yeah it was definitely an electrician that did it, owner confirmed that. POCO hooked it up because it probably looked legit to them. It hasnt burned off yet lol.
 
Ok thanks augie. Yeah it was definitely an electrician that did it, owner confirmed that. POCO hooked it up because it probably looked legit to them. It hasnt burned off yet lol.
It doesn't matter if it was installed by the POCO or the electrician, the conductors don't have to be sized for the breaker, see 230.42.
 
It doesn't matter if it was installed by the POCO or the electrician, the conductors don't have to be sized for the breaker, see 230.42.
So I see, that code allows the service entrance conductors to be sized only by the load. Personally I feel like feeding a 400 with 200 with no ocpd is pushing my luck though lol.
 
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