Feeder tap

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Inspector said my feeder that is outdoors attached to home in PVC pipe need to be less than 40 feet- I thought outside does not have that limitation- it’s a 200 amp service I taped off the load side and feed a 100 amp main breaker panel with 2 copper-
 
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you're right, taps outside are given an unlimited tap length as long as they are:
1 - protected from phycial damage
2 - terminate in a single circuit breaker (your 100a main)
3 - oc device is part of disonnect (your 100a main)
4 - readily accessible disconnect -
a - outside
b - inside, nearest point of entrance
c - according to 230.6, nearest point of entrance

what's more is, there is no 40' tap rule.

ask your inspector for a code reference. unless it's a local jurisdiction amendment, he's blowing smoke.
 
I not asking him for crap! you confirmed my install- I’ll just tell him to approve or see him at the state inspector I am done with them- since I took one of them and won they have it out for me or they just don’t care——

One guy dinged me for not bonding the metal 4 sqaure on rough- i can still bond on trim he just does not want to look at it on trim - unless there some rule I just don’t know- could be but he sited nothing—-
 
you're right, taps outside are given an unlimited tap length as long as they are:
1 - protected from phycial damage
2 - terminate in a single circuit breaker (your 100a main)
3 - oc device is part of disonnect (your 100a main)
4 - readily accessible disconnect -
a - outside
b - inside, nearest point of entrance
c - according to 230.6, nearest point of entrance

what's more is, there is no 40' tap rule.

ask your inspector for a code reference. unless it's a local jurisdiction amendment, he's blowing smoke.
He asking for load data sheet I took a 200 amp panel that feed two units and divided them. load between too was 100, off the meter, I am not submitting a load sheet I’ll give him the meter peak that show the 100 for the two, but he can pound sand
 
He asking for load data sheet I took a 200 amp panel that feed two units and divided them. load between too was 100, off the meter, I am not submitting a load sheet I’ll give him the meter peak that show the 100 for the two, but he can pound sand
So he figured out he was wrong on the feeder tap issue now he thinks he is saving himself by asking for this load calculation?

To a certain degree people that been doing this long enough just kind of know when 100 amps is plenty, especially for dwelling feeds. No electric heat or on demand water electric water heating is often almost automatic factor in not even needing to waste your time doing the calculations as long as it is not abnormally large square footage or simply has a lot of loads you don't always see in typical dwelling.
 
Inspector said my feeder that is outdoors attached to home in PVC pipe need to be less than 40 feet- I thought outside does not have that limitation- it’s a 200 amp service I taped off the load side and feed a 100 amp main breaker panel with 2 copper-
When the inspector is incorrect ask for a code reference. Often when they cannot find it in the code book they'll say "I'll let it go this time".
 
I didn't have many problems with inspectors. I had 2 of them that I had problems with. Both times I knew I was right and I said "ok we will settle this in Boston". They didn't like that and would always back down. "I will let it go this time"
 
Around here there mostly morons that work for the state the private third party are better
well, it's up to you guys to make sure they're providing code references to their "fails." this will make them look up the code on what they think it is, and will end up making you both, better at knowing electrical code. i used to tell them that i had to have a code ref, so i could show the customer what we needed to do to make things a "pass."

this usually either showed me what a little correction it took to make things pass, or politely showed the inspector that he was wrong, without throwing it in his face.
 
This type of c*** is why people don't get permits
that type of stuff is why people hire unlicensed handymen to do their work. because then, they don't have to deal with permits. feel free to tell his governing board this, and see if they don't correct him. Lord knows this common sense has not stopped the lobbyist meddling in the code book.
 
well, it's up to you guys to make sure they're providing code references to their "fails." this will make them look up the code on what they think it is, and will end up making you both, better at knowing electrical code. i used to tell them that i had to have a code ref, so i could show the customer what we needed to do to make things a "pass."

this usually either showed me what a little correction it took to make things pass, or politely showed the inspector that he was wrong, without throwing it in his face.
Ya but customers say inspection said this- I’ll tell customer what I think of them but customer think there god
 
well, it's up to you guys to make sure they're providing code references to their "fails." this will make them look up the code on what they think it is, and will end up making you both, better at knowing electrical code. i used to tell them that i had to have a code ref, so i could show the customer what we needed to do to make things a "pass."

this usually either showed me what a little correction it took to make things pass, or politely showed the inspector that he was wrong, without throwing it in his face.
Ya I use to do it politely but I kinda done with that especially with the state like I said third party inspector are all right
 
that type of stuff is why people hire unlicensed handymen to do their work. because then, they don't have to deal with permits. feel free to tell his governing board this, and see if they don't correct him. Lord knows this common sense has not stopped the lobbyist meddling in the code book.
Where that might not work is with small jurisdiction where the inspector is basically the only person inspecting electrical. You may have a city superintendent or city council or similar to bring complaints to, but they likely are not going to be all that helpful when it comes deciphering what NEC actually says/means like higher up the chain persons of a state inspecting agency likely will be very knowledgeable and have years of experience using the NEC.
 
Where that might not work is with small jurisdiction where the inspector is basically the only person inspecting electrical. You may have a city superintendent or city council or similar to bring complaints to, but they likely are not going to be all that helpful when it comes deciphering what NEC actually says/means like higher up the chain persons of a state inspecting agency likely will be very knowledgeable and have years of experience using the NEC.
that is possible. but EVERYONE reports to SOMEONE. it's a requirement in our illusionary world we have to pretending like we're still in control of our own government. frankly, i'd be a bit more eager to talk to a small-town city council, rather than a larger city department of public safety baord.

i would hope that either one could grasp the simple fact that implementing overzealous building codes, actually LESSENS public safety, as it incentivized every-day folks to hire handymen, rather than licensed and trained individuals like their code requires. but who knows? these are government officials. they really don't care about us. only having that board service on their resume for their next public job interview.
 
Well, I figured I’d do an update. I called it in and gripped and then a different inspector showed up the new one. I normally deal with.
He called to violations, which, after looking at them, I agree with. I’m glad he found those issues cause they spaced my head. I wish the original guy would’ve gave me some code reference instead of nothing.
But at least I know what to address now
He still wants a low data sheet, but whatever I’ll just give it to him to shut them up
 
i'd be a bit more eager to talk to a small-town city council, rather than a larger city department of public safety baord.
If you are the only one with a complaint about something, those city council or public safety board members aren't going to listen as much as if there would be multiple people with the same complaint. If it is over electrical code interpretation by their inspector they likely not qualified to help with the interpretation, which means they likely need to refer to some other qualified party for help if they are handling it the way they likely should handle it. Referring to someone at State AHJ level might not be bad idea in many such cases? I know were I am State electrical AHJ still ultimately has control over local AHJ's. For most part they only provide the rules the locals must follow and normally are not involved with day to day operations, may somehow audit them periodically to see they are complying with the state laws, IDK?
 
If you are the only one with a complaint about something, those city council or public safety board members aren't going to listen as much as if there would be multiple people with the same complaint. If it is over electrical code interpretation by their inspector they likely not qualified to help with the interpretation, which means they likely need to refer to some other qualified party for help if they are handling it the way they likely should handle it. Referring to someone at State AHJ level might not be bad idea in many such cases? I know were I am State electrical AHJ still ultimately has control over local AHJ's. For most part they only provide the rules the locals must follow and normally are not involved with day to day operations, may somehow audit them periodically to see they are complying with the state laws, IDK?
hence the illusion...

but it doesn't take a techincal master to understand that imposing impractical requirements, doesn't promote safety. it promotes lawlessness. if a board member cannot understand this, they don't deserve to be on any board.
 
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