110.26 (D)- Illumination about a work space

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and it took little ole me to make you relize that. I am flattered. ;) Thanks all for the help.
 
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I am still confused, but my AHJ says that it is permissible as long as the fixture is a flourecent and is at least mounted to the wall. He says that a plug and cord lamp from a receptacle is to be used only as secondary source of light.
 
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JW, haven't you noticed that different people will come away from it with a different answer. Of course my answer is correct, but I'm not your AHJ. :D

by aelectricman:

my AHJ says that it is permissible as long as the fixture is a flourecent and is at least mounted to the wall. He says that a plug and cord lamp from a receptacle is to be used only as secondary source of light.
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Gee, that part must have been left out of my copy.

But I guess if you can interpret it either way, what's wrong with the middle.
 
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Another one of these AHJ's who does as he pleases, I guess. I would still like to know the final ruling.
 
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Originally posted by jwelectric:
Using the thought that the exception to 210.70(A)(1) does not allow a switched receptacle, to install a fixture with cord and plug at a panel in a warehouse would be a violation?
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I think this is something of an overstatement since the exception to 210.70(A)(1) doesn't prohibit any thing. It is a PERMISSIVE exception that allows illumination of the workspace in a habitable room of a dwelling with cord and plug fixtures.

The simplest read is that such illumination is considered inadequate for workspaces in other locations.

Having said that, I personally don't see a compelling safety reason that would make such an installation inadequate on its face; which is why I encouraged Sam to create a Proposal to clean it up.
 
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I have taught in the past that a switched receptacle for a light was acceptable at a panel.
I use a power point presentation in my classes. The reason I have been so stubborn in this thread is that for 110.26 one of the slides I use shows two cord and plug fixtures in a room with a switch gear. The slide shows the head room, working space, and exit doors. I don?t remember where I got the photo maybe the internet. I have always stated the exception to 210.70 allowed this.

Would it be safe for me to state that this permissible using article 410.30?

Thank you for your patience, understanding and explanations.

You go Sam :)
 
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C'mon Sam, do it. Everybody's doing it. Don't you wanna be cool? What, you gonna run home to...

Schoolground taunting doesn't play well in text. :D

Just do it! :D
 
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George, if everybody jumped off a bri..., never mind. :D

Maybe I could put in some riders, you know, add some pork. :D
 
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JW,

as I said earlier, I don't see why it shouldn't be acceptable. If I were playing the "intent" card I might say the CMP bought into the idea that workspace lighting should be from "fixed" sources but accepted a minor exception in dwellings. But I just don't know; it could very well be an unintended consequence - there are still plenty of them in the NEC and new ones get introduced each cycle.

Section 410.30 basically describes "how" various fixtures may be cord-connected, but that should not necessarily infer that fixtures so connected could be installed in just any location nor does it imply that they may be used for just any purpose. Classified locations, for example. There would still be minimum height restrictions, etc.

I really want to encourage folks to make proposals to clean stuff like this up. And when we get to the Comment stage this cycle I hope to see this Forum "assist" the TCC and CMPs in recognizing potential unintended consequences.
 
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You know what Bob, I'm interested in the comment stage but I could use a little breifing on the process. Maybe you could put a short summery in the proposal area. I, at least, would find it useful. I'm not promising I'll submit any comments but I would certainly give it some thought. :)
 
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Thank you Bob
I believe that until I hear something different that I will not say anything about the fixtures in the electrical room unless asked about them. Some one had to send these pictures to me, there are three of them, 1- looking in, 1- looking out and 1- from down low looking up at the top of the switchgear. Looking at the top of the switchgear is where the lights are seen.
This will be a good assignment for a student, it will get a explanation of the article even if it don?t cause a change.
Again thank you
 
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Bob, the description of the Code making process would really be nice in the FAQs. Maybe even include the deadlines for submittals of the proposals and comments. :D
 
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Maybe im missing something,but what is in the way on that ceiling just in front of that panel ? Is the work space violated ?
 
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The problem is that directly on top of the panels is ceiling. There is the minimum 6/1/2 feet and the llights cannot be placed there. 18 inches out is duct work, and from there out forgetaboutit. The stuf there now, it not a violation, but is very close. Adding a light would be.
 
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The area where the can would go is boxed in tight and the can would blink im sure.
 
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