14/3 to attic

[Jim W in Tampa]

Any reason you need 2 circuits ?

 

[iwire]

See 225.39

Even if this was a outdoor feeder .39 has only to do with the disconnecting means not the feeder size.

 

[donselectric]

we are still on 05 code.
the reason for two circuits is
the guy wants 12 recpts,6 recessed and two ceiling fans
and i like to feed each room separate if possible
looks like the rooky pipe out side house or no afci...

 

[billdozier]

Do the cieling fans have light kits on them? What amperage on the fan motors?

 

[M. D.]

I see nothing wrong with the sub-panel idea..

 

[iwire]

I see nothing wrong with the sub-panel idea..

Neither do I. :smile:

 

[donselectric]

sub panel... off what the 14/3 ??
cant do that...violation...branch circuit extension so i was years ago

 

[donselectric]

yes lites and motors prob a couple amps each i would guess

 

[Twoskinsoneman]

FWIW I would use the 2 pole AFCI. Even if it's not combo type I think the end of 90.4 allows for just this type of exception to be made.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

sub panel... off what the 14/3 ??
cant do that...violation...branch circuit extension so i was years ago

What do you mean by this. If the 14/3 is wired to a panel then the 14/3 is not a branch circuit but a feeder.

 

[Jim W in Tampa]

I sure dont like the idea of a panel in the attic. Even if it has stairs and meets 110.26 the heat will likely destroy the new arc faults. What are the chances of taking some of the load off of the attic light. That was a trick i used often to get out of a jam.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

I sure dont like the idea of a panel in the attic. Even if it has stairs and meets 110.26 the heat will likely destroy the new arc faults. What are the chances of taking some of the load off of the attic light. That was a trick i used often to get out of a jam.

Is this an unconditioned space? It appears it is a bedroom , etc. The panel can be in the bedroom or den (whatever the other room is).

This brings me to ask how is this space being heated and/or cooled?

 

[Jim W in Tampa]

Is this an unconditioned space? It appears it is a bedroom , etc. The panel can be in the bedroom or den (whatever the other room is).

This brings me to ask how is this space being heated and/or cooled?

ok i was not thinking of it that way. Sure if you put the panel in one of the rooms then i am cool with it. As to the heating and cooling perhaps the AC man can up size the unit.

 

[M. D.]

As far as heat goes ... don't some of you guys ,.. in the warmer parts of the country,.. install panels outside??

 

[Jim W in Tampa]

As far as heat goes ... don't some of you guys ,.. in the warmer parts of the country,.. install panels outside??

Yes we do but attics can reach far higher than anything outside. Have seen some that a man could not last more than 5 minutes in.

 

[iwire]

sub panel... off what the 14/3 ??
cant do that...violation...branch circuit extension so i was years ago

Sure you can.

Can you point to the NEC section that you feel prohibits it?

 

[M. D.]

sub panel... off what the 14/3 ??
cant do that...violation...branch circuit extension so i was years ago

I have trying to figure this out ,.. did you mean

"so was I years ago"
or

that someone has used this circuit to feed other outlets on the way to the attic??

If you do a load calc. I would be surprised if it required 2 circuits.

As far as the sub panel goes ,.. what is the concern???

 

[donselectric]

i got picked up on that years ago was told by inspector
that it was a branch circuit extension and i couldnt do it
so i dont do it...hmmm

 

[M. D.]

Well,.. I guess he never read the definitions of Feeder and branch circuit..
I think this is a fine idea,.. and will probably become a bit more employed as people will/ do have less money for panel change outs and rewires to comply with 210.12 ,... compliant creativity just might get you the job:smile:

 

[donselectric]

i was looking in feeders ,min size in the 02 code.
i didn't think you could run less then 10"s to feed any sub.
at least thats what I've always done....