15 Amps 120 Outdoor Receptacle

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mtnelectrical

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How much would you charge for a Outdoor receptacle, Buble cover surface mounted, 20' 1/2 EMT, 2 LB's, Bore Brick Wall to the basement, dedicated circuit? Oh, This is for a small italian restaurant. My price was $425. Is it too much?. There was good parking and job went smooth.
 
" My price was $425". " Was it to much"? There is no such thing as to much. If you explain the cost or hourly rate up front. If they don't like it they should get someone else to do the work. Gouging is when you have someone over a barrel and they are forced to pay an exorbitant rate for goods or services because of a limmited supply. There are probably contractors in your area that would have charged more and there are those that would have charged less. If you are comfortable with the price and you got paid that is all that counts. Put the check in the dryer to get rid of the tears and then deposit.

An addendum: Most states have laws against price fixing. If you can't fix prices at a high rate then what makes everyone think you can at a low rate.
 
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I just bid a similar job for $315, but it was for a single-family dwelling. About the same distance, but the only EMT I'm going to use is where I bore through the foundation, and I won't have to mount LBs, either.

I think your price is about right.
 
mtnelectrical said:
Oh, This is for a small italian restaurant. My price was $425. Is it too much?.

Sounds just fine to me. You deserve a painless, profitable installation every once in a while.

Remember, you have to average that call with the ones that don't go smoothly and have horrible parking. :)
 
JhonMD.It took me about
3 hours @ 75= 225
Material 56 @ 30% M U = 72
Permit @ 125 = 125

But you know, yesterday talking to a HVAC Contractor. It made me really thinking about our rates .He told me that he sometimes does installations during a busy week and easily could make a profit over 6 grand,(profit not sales!) and he does not work over 40 hours for this week, He is a one man shop.So 6000 / 40 hours( let's assume) = 150 per hour. Well I think you could charge as you please installing Central Units in Jersey but I we can't overcharge for our modest skills. That makes me sick!
 
mtnelectrical, you list materials at $56 with a 30% mark-up at $72. This took about three hours to install and you make $16 dollars on materials. The HVAC man buys a cheap unit for $750 with a 100% mark up at $1500 for materials. It takes about 3 hours to install a new condensor unit with a price of about $2000.00 parts & labor. Do you see where the money is made. They don't sell HVAC supplies at Home Depot.

Note* these are not actual prices. I have been there when they made a lot more than 100% on the mark-up.

The real problem is that we don't have many items that are quick to install with a large mark-up. It can take two days with inspections to do a service change, in that time the HVAC people may have installed three or four units.
 
My A/C man came out to charge my units as they were not cooling.
He charged me $100 labor & $65 for a start condensor.

My thoughts are it was worth $165 but by itemizing it I can see where he ripped me off. A Condensor can't cost him $20.
But its all good as he refers me a lot.

My advice is not to itemize out materials unless asked. and then to just see what the job is worth. Try to make $125 per hour & no markup on small materials. You'll come out better!
 
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Honestly, all that matters are these two things:
- Were you satisfied with the profit?
- Was the customer satisfied with the price and installation?


If your questioning YOUR profit ("Was that too much?"), you need to know what it costs you to be in business.

Did you factor in any time (aka money) for picking up the material, applying for the permit, etc?
 
Celtic said:
Did you factor in any time (aka money) for picking up the material, applying for the permit, etc?

I was thinking the same thing when I saw the permit line of his breakdown.

mtnelectrical said:
JhonMD.It took me about
3 hours @ 75= 225
Material 56 @ 30% M U = 72
Permit @ 125 = 125

Don't most guys mark it up, for the time it takes to physically get the permit?
 
georgestolz said:
Don't most guys mark it up, for the time it takes to physically get the permit?

I'll usually add some time for that - as it DOES take time....as does meeting with the inspector for the actual inspection.
 
The permit process in the major municipality where we work has a rather streamline permit process. Through a phone call or fax, we can pull a new permit or call for an inspection. There is little need to ever go to the permit desk in person, and I rarely meet an inspector for an inspection.

But the surrounding suburbs are in a time warp and require way more headaches.

So. I have been think about implementing a permit surcharge. Sort of a set fee for the time and hassle of making the calls/faxes, processing the permit fee, and the occasional Murphy's Mishap.

Problem is, as far as I know, none of my competitors are marking up a permit, nor adding a surcharge for the process. None-the-less, I believe this Maverick is about to bust out of the corral and lead the pack!
 
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Minuteman said:
The permit process in the major municipality were we work has a rather streamline permit process. Through a phone call or fax, we can pull a new permit or call for an inspection. There is little need to ever go to the permit desk in person, and I rarely meet an inspector for an inspection.
In NJ, a "presence" is required...an EC must seal the permit (pressure seal)..."someone" must then goto the Building Dept(BD)....which sometimes requires numerous trips around the block looking for a parking spot.

In my town, I'm in and out in 15 or less....in neighboring towns, I've ordered lunch to be delivered to the BD while I wait (j/k) - but I have been in some of these BD's that my meter ran out and I recived a lovely $50+/- parking ticket.

Arranging for the inspection can also be quite trying...some town's inspectors work like repair men: I'll be there between 8AM and 1PM. Unless you have some rapport with the AHJ, you better pack a lunch.
 
celtic said:
I'll usually add some time for that - as it DOES take time....as does meeting with the inspector for the actual inspection.

I add time for adding time!
But, I can pull permits online (Houston only) from the office & schedule inspections online
I don't have to meet inspectors unless it just happens
ANd I can get email & text messaging results real time on inspections.
 
NJ has almost 1000 people/sq. mile, Texas - on the other hand - has about 75 people/sq mile.

Draw your own conclusions...
 
"But, I can pull permits online (Houston only) from the office & schedule inspections online"


When i asked why we don't have that here, i was told, it would eliminate jobs, and we want to create jobs, only in Jersey!
 
We have a hybrid permit system here. The state is in charge of permits/inspections [/i]unless[/i] a city decides it wants to do their own. State permits are very old fashioned (quadruplicate carbon form), but they are pre-numbered and must be purchased for $1/each. They are considered valid once they are deposited in the US Mail system. I often drop the permit in the mail on the way to the job. Minimum fee is only $20 for a state permit. State inspectors are at their phones for an hour and a half every M-F morning, and if I call then, they come out the same day, rough-in or final. No one has to be present for the inspection; all they care about is being able to get in somehow. We make arrangements by phone. It's a low-tech system, but it seems to work pretty well and is not overly expensive. The one downside is that when the inspector says he'll be out that day, it could be anytime, so if no one is home, there must be another way for them to get in. Some people refuse to let in an inspector if they aren't home, so sometimes inspections are hard to arrange. I'm sure not going to sit around someone's house all day waiting.

Cities are all over the board in how their permits work. Some permits I can pull online, sometimes I can fax in a request, sometimes in person, etc., but the permit must be issued by the AHJ before work can begin. Cities are very clear that dropping the paperwork in the mail may be OK for state permits, but not for city ones. City inspectors generally also don't need the EC to be present for an inspection.

Almost all of my work is done with state permits, and most of the rest tend to be in a jurisdiction where I can pull the permit online. I don't mark up the permit fee, but if I have to go in and get the permit, I add time to my labor charge.
 
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