1st Resid Panel Install

[1stYearElectrican]

Well I done it , I got rid of the panel from hell and replaced it with a new one :grin: This is my 1st panel for residential (sis's place). A few things I would of like to improve on , making the staples look neater, is there a trick to this? Wish had a few more feet on the Stove and the boiler conductors so they could be placed a lil better.

Feel free to critique away, I am always looking for pointers for improvement:smile:

Before the change:

After the change:

I don't think it's to bad of a job especially for me a 1st year Appr

Also some mild modifications in kitchen and bathroom.
Kitchen replaced the 3 counter recepticles with 2 GFCI (within 5ft of sink)and a T-slot (over 5 feet from sink) on seperate 20A circuits. Fridge and fan/light over stove was on the same circuir, took of the fan/light. Microwave and a receptical located in the tv room was on the same circuit. removed the tv room recepticle so microwave is on the circuit by itself.

Bathroom: the fan , the light and the GFCI are turned on by the single light switch. Remove the GFCI from the circuit so it not turn off by the light switch.

Should all pass code, except the half dozen or so hidden j-boxes I found that I would have to cut holes in the celing and walls to remove or make access to.


Fire Away with the critique's:smile:


~FyE~

 

[Dennis Alwon]

I am sure someone will critic it but it looks like a nice neat job. Congats and keep up the good work.

 

[peter d]

So you have the yellow romex in Canada too, eh?

Looks pretty good to my American eyes, but I don't know the CEC, so I'll be of no use with critiques code wise.

 

[wbalsam1]

I'm wondering the function of the bottom right-hand-side breaker with the two individual conductors (black) and the green equipment grounding conductor? What is this circuit, and why are the single conductors not in conduit, etc.? :smile:

 

[SiddMartin]

Having your enthusiasim and taking pride in your work is huge. Don't lose that. And it sounds like you are always looking to learn more, let me tell ya, you are on the right path buddy. Just like I tell my boss, I don't know everything and there is a lot for me to learn, but I have a lot of good people around me and I won't hesitate to ask for help.

Keep up the good work!:smile:

 

[Dennis Alwon]

I'm wondering the function of the bottom right-hand-side breaker with the two individual conductors (black) and the green equipment grounding conductor? What is this circuit, and why are the single conductors not in conduit, etc.? :smile:

Good eyes-- I missed that....

They look like the existing ones that went to the the 2 circuit panel on the right.

 

[SiddMartin]

just wondering....

why was the first pic edited w/ the color squares?

 

[peter d]

Canadian panels don't have doors on the covers?

 

[1stYearElectrican]

lol opps I will remove it and replace with orig pic, that was to show something in another thread. No cover came with this panel. The lower right hand breaker is a 70A that is for the boiler (was the pony panel in orig pic)and yes it suppose to have PVC and putting that in PVC all the way back to boiler is a task I have planed for later for now I wanted to get the panel installed. Then when I have all the lil odd wiring jobs around the house done will tell sis I need some pvc and fittings to propperly do the boiler circuit.


~FyE~

 

[LarryFine]

A few things I would of like to improve on , making the staples look neater, is there a trick to this?

Don't be a wise guy!


It looks great. Be proud. :smile:

 

[petersonra]

Don't be a wise guy!


It looks great. Be proud. :smile:

It looks nice.

Personally, I am not one who cares much if everything is perfect, as long as it is safe, and functional, and not "too" messy.

 

[ItsHot]

#12

#12

Some here will ask "why did you use so much #12?:grin:

 

[nyerinfl]

Nice job, mind if I ask how long your first changeout took?

 

[infinity]

Nice job! Is it standard for Canadian panels to have separate trim covers over the main CB section of the panel? If so are you not permitted to enter the top of the panel with the branch circuits?

 

[resistance]

Looks good! Curious to know if those are the plastic staples (I call them the DIYer staples)? If so, are they required to be the plastic type?

Picture of staples below:

 

[1stYearElectrican]

Used proper staples (s1,s2,s3) where required by code.

Have to check the code book on that, although as far as I can remember the circuits and main have to be seperated. And this panel was called a "Siemans Nu Pack" Service Entrance Loadcenter w/ Main Breaker. Model XP 40200AF. This was a basically a Panel kit with breakers included about $400 with taxes (15%) and came without a door. Maybe The door is extra??

The change out took tooooooo long, hell I felt I was like an operator with sis asking can she have this on and that on as I worked. The longest part was before removing the old panel was having 1 circuit on and tracing thru the whole house to see what was on it. You notice over the panel there are J boxes that was another nightmare to deal with, splice into the existing 12-2 wires so there be ample amount of conductors to work with when wiring the panel that took a bit of time to finally complete so it was all safe and especially to code.

Tracing wire routes was a nightmare (as you tell by the pics I posted of the boiler LV wiring )there were alot of codes broke and still are a few to be fixed or removed. Most of the recepticles were not properly grounded expecially the 220 dryer outlet I would make notes about each circuit on what needed to be changed to make that circuit code compliant. Ran 4 new homeRuns ( # 14-2) :grin: for some lights, PC , and recepticles.

lol to the "Using all 12-2" The whole house is all done in 12-2, must of been a special on 12-2 that week. Did not want to splice 12-2 with 14-2 then I would of had to flag everthing , far simpiler just to use 12-2. In some cases in the CEC this is allowed IF the circuit is marked to serve as a warning not to exceed the amphere of the lower amp conductor.

lol Don't be a wise guy. I was being serious, was trying make the staples appear neat and had to pop out some as they look of. If I'm making all the wiring around the house neat, I not gonna ruin it by placing non alignment staples. :wink: Maybe it just me but I like my work neat and tidy. Alot of panel I have seen are very neat with staples all in alignment, just wanted mine to be like that. I recall teacher stating something about how he aligns but I was elsewhere in the class busy with my work.

well thanks for all the great comments, it means alot to be complimented and shall I say accepted/acknowledged by the professionals in these forums.


ps: Anyone need an Apprentice ? lmao


~FyE~

 

[LarryFine]

ps: Anyone need an Apprentice ? lmao

Sure. Have a way to get to Va?

 

[cschmid]

nice looking job now is this the boiler feed of the boiler pics you have as well..I do boilers so I can help you make that nice..yet i do not know the codes for low volt in canada..but around here they are very minimal..

 

[1stYearElectrican]

Yes, the lower right breaker supplies the boiler. Was over there tonight and removed the lower wall beneath the panel to get ready for running the PVC. That I have planned for next week, for the $$$ was getting low in sis's account til her next payday to buy the hardware needed. BTW Spent about $900 on supplies for the new panel, Wires, GFI, boxes etc... for sis's house.


~FyE~

 

[peter d]

Model XP 40200AF. This was a basically a Panel kit with breakers included about $400 with taxes (15%) and came without a door. Maybe The door is extra??

$400 Canadian? That's about $400 American...sounds awfully high for a panelboard even with that tax rate. A comparable American version of that panel, even a "contractor kit" with breakers included, runs about $175 or so. Of course, ours don't have the isolated compartment for the service conductors.