20 amp bath circuit

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roger said:
And I agree, if the intentent was for all receptacles in a bath room to be supplied by a 20 amp circuit, 210.11(C) should have included the word "all" (as 210.12(B) does) instead of the words "at least one".


Roger
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I agree with Roger by the first statement of 210.11 (c) (3) " in addition to the number of branch circuits requried by other parts of this section". As long as you have met the 1 20amp. circ. rule I cannot see where it is prohibited to have a 15 amp. circ. It's no different than 210.11 (c) (2) for the laundry. As long as I have the 1 20amp circ. and I do not leave the laundry room with it, I can put as many 15 amp circ. in the laundry room as I want. Which takes us back to what Bob said about the 30 amp circ. for the dryer. And to throw gas on the fire 210.11 (c) (2) doesnt tell me where to put the 20amp circ. except in the laundry room. It makes no mention of plugging in the washing mach. Now would I be negligent in not installing the 20 amp. circ so the washer could be plugged in, yes. would it be a bad layout on my part, yes. Could I put a 15amp circ. for the washer and have the 20amp circ. on a opposite wall from the washer? I think so.
 
If you put a 15A receptacle in the bath in addition to the required 20A. Could that circuit feed other parts of the house?
 
C3PO said:
If you put a 15A receptacle in the bath in addition to the required 20A. Could that circuit feed other parts of the house?
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Absolutely.

Roger
 
One thing to keep in mind is the comments on ROP's often say that they are trying to not be overly restrictive when they are considering code phrasing.
 
LLSolutions said:
The worst part is that you've gotta tell your apprentice monday that He was right.
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Yeah, and that'll be tough. :grin: :grin: :grin:

Roger
 
electricmanscott said:
At least one 20 ampere branch circuit shal be provided to supply bathroom receptacle outlet(S)

Pretty clear to me, if you have a bathroom receptacle outlet or outlets they have to be supplied from at least one 20 amp circuit.

You can have 10 receptacles on one 20 amp circuit or you can have 10 receptacles on 10 20 amp circuits but you can not have ANY receptacles on a 15 amp circuit.
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Pretty clear to me that this is NOT what the code says, and is Not the intent of the code.

You are required to have 1 receptacle on 1 20 amp circuit. If so inclined you can have 10 more receptacles on 10 15 amp circuits.
 
electricmanscott said:
Nobody has changed my mind and I beleive you are all wrong. :grin:
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I think most of us can live with that. :wink: :grin:

Roger
 
210.11 (C) (3) In addition to the number of branch circuits required by other parts of this section (That covers your laundry receptacles should the laundry be in the bathroom ) at least one 20 ampere branch circuit shall be provided to supply bathroom receptacle outlet(s). Such circuits shall have no other outlets.

Again, you are required to have at least one 20 amp circuit to supply your bathroom receptacle outlet, or if there are multiple receptacle outlets those too. It does NOT say required receptacle outlets or receptacle outlets required by 210.52(D). It says bathroom receptacle outlet(s). If it's a bathroom receptacle outlet it has to be supplied by a 20 amp branch circuit.
 
ceb58 said:
. It's no different than 210.11 (c) (2) for the laundry. As long as I have the 1 20amp circ. and I do not leave the laundry room with it, I can put as many 15 amp circ. in the laundry room as I want. Which takes us back to what Bob said about the 30 amp circ. for the dryer. And to throw gas on the fire 210.11 (c) (2) doesnt tell me where to put the 20amp circ. except in the laundry room. It makes no mention of plugging in the washing mach. Now would I be negligent in not installing the 20 amp. circ so the washer could be plugged in, yes. would it be a bad layout on my part, yes. Could I put a 15amp circ. for the washer and have the 20amp circ. on a opposite wall from the washer? I think so.
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You might want to read 210.50(C) first
 
If you were required to have at least one vehicle in your garage that was 4-wheel drive, does that mean ALL vehicles in your garage must be 4-wheel drive?
 
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Scott IMO you are mistaken.


electricmanscott said:
If it's a bathroom receptacle outlet it has to be supplied by a 20 amp branch circuit.
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So it is your position that I can not install an electric clothes dryer in a bathroom?

Consider that a 240 volt 30 amp recptacle outlet installed in a bathroom would be;

  1. In the bathroom
  2. A receptacle
  3. An outlet.

There is no definition of a "bathroom receptacle outlet" that says it has to be a 15 or 20 amp 125 volt receptacle.
 
So you have a helper who likes to do 'design' work!
I have a continual problem like that.
I think I should do the 'design'
and my 'helper' should 'help' me make it happen!
We do cross-check each other's work,
but I am diverging from the topic.
 
glene77is said:
So you have a helper who likes to do 'design' work!
I have a continual problem like that.
I think I should do the 'design'
and my 'helper' should 'help' me make it happen!
We do cross-check each other's work,
but I am diverging from the topic.
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What's wrong with a 'helper' who can take the intiative, read the Codebook, and make interpretations?

Wrong he may be many times, but at least he's learnin'!
 
electricmanscott said:
You might want to read 210.50(C) first
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Now would I be negligent in not installing the 20 amp. circ so the washer could be plugged in, yes. would it be a bad layout on my part, yes.
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Scott, take what I wrote as a whole. I could argue that I could place the requried 20amp on a opposite wall for a ironing center and have a 15amp for the washer. We must agree to disagree. I, like the majority of others do not see the bath circuit as you do. I guess I will need to tell the inspectors we were wrong for the separate circuits for whirlpool tubs, floor heat, dryer and washing mach. install in bathrooms
 
I'm going to side with Scott just because I think putting a 15 amp receptacle outlet circuit in a bathroom is a dumb idea, no matter what the code language says.
 
iwire said:
Scott IMO you are mistaken.




So it is your position that I can not install an electric clothes dryer in a bathroom?

Consider that a 240 volt 30 amp recptacle outlet installed in a bathroom would be;

  1. In the bathroom
  2. A receptacle
  3. An outlet.

There is no definition of a "bathroom receptacle outlet" that says it has to be a 15 or 20 amp 125 volt receptacle.
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You raise an interesting point in regards to 120v vs 240v, but I do not see how the wording of singular and/or plural receptacles would allow for anything other than any receptacle present within the confines of the bathroom be on at least a 20 amp circuit.
 
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