20 amp bath circuit

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ceb58 said:
I guess I will need to tell the inspectors we were wrong for the separate circuits for whirlpool tubs, floor heat, dryer and washing mach. install in bathrooms
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I would say that they fall under different categories by shear definition. Each one carries it's own requirements. They just benefit from not being disallowed in a bathroom area.
 
ceb58 said:
. I could argue that I could place the requried 20amp on a opposite wall for a ironing center and have a 15amp for the washer. We must agree to disagree.
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You could do that as long as the receptacle is within 6 feet of the intended location of the washing machine.

I don't really have anything else to add to the rest of the argument other than the post prior to this was right on. I feel it is one way you guys feel otherwise. No biggie because in reality it will never be an issue for me or most of you anyway.
 
360Youth said:
I would say that they fall under different categories by shear definition. Each one carries it's own requirements. They just benefit from not being disallowed in a bathroom area.
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Thank You, That's the point. As long as you have met the requirement of the one 20amp circ. nothing in code disallows other circ. whether it be 15amp 120v or 30amp 240v.
 
iwire said:
Scott IMO you are mistaken.




So it is your position that I can not install an electric clothes dryer in a bathroom?

Consider that a 240 volt 30 amp recptacle outlet installed in a bathroom would be;

  1. In the bathroom
  2. A receptacle
  3. An outlet.

There is no definition of a "bathroom receptacle outlet" that says it has to be a 15 or 20 amp 125 volt receptacle.
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No, my position on this specific part (and also the floor heat or hydromassage tub) is covered in the wording of 210.11
 
ceb58 said:
Thank You, That's the point. As long as you have met the requirement of the one 20amp circ. nothing in code disallows other circ. whether it be 15amp 120v or 30amp 240v.
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Sorry, but I think you missed mine. I was refering to speciffic equipment outlets that happen to be 120v receptacles, not general use receptacles that are the "bathroom receptacle(s)." There are no speciffics regarding hair dryers, night lights, cell phone or wall phone, etc. They are general use and IMO should be part of the 20 amp requirement.

Also, IMO, this topic should go the way of the ground down/up issue.:roll: :)
 
OK, so let's say there is this loophole that allows 15 amp receptacle outlet circuits in bathrooms in addition to the required 20. Is anyone seriously going to install a 15 amp recept. circuit in a bathroom? :confused:
 
peter d said:
OK, so let's say there is this loophole that allows 15 amp receptacle outlet circuits in bathrooms in addition to the required 20. Is anyone seriously going to install a 15 amp recept. circuit in a bathroom? :confused:
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depends how big the bathroom is, and if there is a recept on the oposite side of the wall that would be handy to tie into... why not? in my opinion, the 20 amp circuit is to serve the countertop for hair dryers, curling irons and such.... a general purpose recept somewhere else may be handy for a shoe shiner or plug in air freshener....
 
peter d said:
Is anyone seriously going to install a 15 amp recept. circuit in a bathroom? :confused:
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I would. It is much easier to catch a receptacle under a window intended for Christmas lights off a 15 amp lighting circuit, I just do not feel code makes that provision.
 
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electricmanscott said:
At least one 20 ampere branch circuit shal be provided to supply bathroom receptacle outlet(S)

Pretty clear to me, if you have a bathroom receptacle outlet or outlets they have to be supplied from at least one 20 amp circuit.

You can have 10 receptacles on one 20 amp circuit or you can have 10 receptacles on 10 20 amp circuits but you can not have ANY receptacles on a 15 amp circuit.
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It's funny. I was with you until right after "pretty clear to me" :)
 
ultramegabob said:
depends how big the bathroom is, and if there is a recept on the oposite side of the wall that would be handy to tie into... why not? in my opinion, the 20 amp circuit is to serve the countertop for hair dryers, curling irons and such.... a general purpose recept somewhere else may be handy for a shoe shiner or plug in air freshener....
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Or the 2000 watt heater....
 
ultramegabob said:
if you need a portable 2000 watt heater in a newly constructed house, you need to take up the issue with your HVAC installer....
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Did I miss someone saying this is in a new house?

Besides, tinners don't take into account some women when they design the system....:cool:
 
480sparky said:
Did I miss someone saying this is in a new house?

Besides, tinners don't take into account some women when they design the system....:cool:
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okay, so its an old house and your 2000 watt heater is tied into the bathroom counter where a curling iron and hair dryer are being used, how is that design any better?
 
ultramegabob said:
okay, so its an old house and your 2000 watt heater is tied into the bathroom counter where a curling iron and hair dryer are being used, how is that design any better?
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Hey, it's not my heater! Personally, I prefer things a little... shall we say... frosty in the morning. But some people would rather it be 110? in their bathrooms for some strange reason.

I would rather the heater be on a different circuit than with the curling iron and hair dryer myself.
 
So, I guess it boils to where some would have us believe that the words "at least one" means "all". I can see them cashing a $100.00 dollar bill somewhere:

How would you like that?

At least one 20.00 dollar bill please.

That's good, I only have one 20.00 dollar bill in the cash drawer.

What, didn't you hear me, I said at least one 20.00 bill.

Yes sir, I heard you and I do have one 20.00 bill.

Can't you count, one 20.00 bill doesn't add up to a 100.00 dollars.

No sir it doesn't, I will give you the rest in other bills.

You need to learn what "at least one" means, I'll just go to the trouble of getting change some where else thank you. :wink:



Roger
 
roger said:
So, I guess it boils to where some would have us believe that the words "at least one" means "all".

Roger
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OK. I keep saying my next post will be last post on this subject. :)
To me, saying that there shall be "at least one" indicates that you cannot have a bathroom without any. The "receptacle(s)" wording indicates that however many installed should be 20 amp. 210.52(D) tells us that there needs to one within 3' of the basin, but it makes no mention of a 20 amp requirement. Can that receptacle be on a 15a circuit and my required 20a be over by the toilet for, say, a 200w heater?;) I will admit that I think it is poor wording and I see more now the different interpretations, I just lean to a differrent side. :rolleyes: :smile:
 
Since lots of y'all disagree on the OP.
If I don't want the hassle of an inspection turned down.
I should probably not put a 15 a outlet in the bath.
The AHJ might agree that it is code compliant or not.

Same question can go to a laundry room.
A total room specifcally for laundry.
That should not have a 15 a outlet in it, right?
 
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