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sorry but I'm not buying it.
So I cannot protect a 200 amp disconnect switch with a 100 amp OCPD?
200 amp main breaker panel used as 100 amp sub panel
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sorry but I'm not buying it.
So I cannot protect a 200 amp disconnect switch with a 100 amp OCPD?
ptonsparky
Tom
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Sounds to me like protecting a larger breaker with a smaller is normal. The sampling here is nation wide.
Buck Parrish
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It doesn't conform to residential standards.
rjniles
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How often have you used a 60 amp pull out disconnect fed by a 30 amp breaker/#10 wire to feed a water heater. Perfectly compliant.
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jaggedben
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I would dispute that there is anything abnormal about it.
jaggedben
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Sure it does.
winnie
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- Electric motor research
I would argue that since 200A panels are so common and thus cheaper because of mass production, that it is completely normal to use a panel with a 200A main breaker in an application where a MLO panel would be perfectly servicable.
-Jon
winnie
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- Electric motor research
One question is if there is anything about this particular installation that requires selective coordination? Only the OP can provide such details. However even if this is the case, the _inspector_ should have identified the specific requirement.
-Jon
-Jon
Patoneil
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I used it because it was so cheap, less costly than a MLO panel.
winnie
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ggunn
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- Consulting Electrical Engineer - Photovoltaic Systems
No. It's on the inspector to tell you which NEC article you are in violation of; it's not on you to reference every article in the code (which would be all of them) that doesn't say you can't do it.
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What does that even mean?
Buck Parrish
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Look, I'm not against it. I'm playing devils advocate on the inspectors behalf. However..., a clearly visible 200 on the Main breaker is deceiving to the average home owner.
Imagine 5 years even 20 years from now the home is owned by some one else. The 200 is on the breaker. That's why I said it should be clearly labeled 100 amps .
I would not do it to save $75.00. I take pride in my work.
Imagine 5 years even 20 years from now the home is owned by some one else. The 200 is on the breaker. That's why I said it should be clearly labeled 100 amps .
I would not do it to save $75.00. I take pride in my work.
ggunn
PE (Electrical), NABCEP certified
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- Austin, TX, USA
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- Consulting Electrical Engineer - Photovoltaic Systems
A 200A main breaker on a sub panel fed by a 100A load breaker is merely a switch.
oldsparky52
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I do not agree.
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Here we are 36 posts later and pretty much everyone agrees that the inspector is incorrect. I bet we can go on for a few more pages....lol
Perhaps ask the inspector to read this thread
Perhaps ask the inspector to read this thread
kwired
Electron manager
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Which still doesn't mean much. One could run actual 200 amp feeder to this, but that don't necessarily mean you will have 200 amp capacity out of it. If everything comes from a 200 amp service and there is already a calculated load of 100 amps on whatever else is present - you sort of only have 100 amp capacity here anyway.
If you have two 200 amp panels as your service equipment you might say you have a 400 amp service, yet you can not run an individual load of 250 amps from this setup either.
jaggedben
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The average homeowner has no idea how many amps their service is. I think the subset of DIY homeowners who are smart enough to understand the significance, dumb enough not to notice the upstream 100A, and scrupulous enough to care ... is too small to matter.
kwired
Electron manager
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- NE Nebraska
Nor do they know what it means, they just assume bigger means better.
200 amp supply is somewhat the standard anymore, but unless you have a really large house or electric heating, often a 100 amp supply is plenty for most homes. Code wants a minimum 100 amp supply but reality is some cases you could get by with even less, especially if you have gas supplying all the major heating appliances.
powerpete69
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- Professional Electrical Engineer
As long as the feeder wire from the main panel is sized for 100 amp breaker (#3 AWG or larger) and the minimum rating of the sub panel are 100 amps (which it is), you are good as long as the neutral and grounds are kept separate in the sub panel.
You don't even need a main breaker in the sub panel. MLO is fine as well. As you say, your 200 amp breaker in sub panel is acting more like a disconnect switch and possibly a back up for a short circuit in case the feeder breaker short circuit instantaneous system fails.
Ask the inspector what code you are violating? Better yet, get him on this forum!
You don't even need a main breaker in the sub panel. MLO is fine as well. As you say, your 200 amp breaker in sub panel is acting more like a disconnect switch and possibly a back up for a short circuit in case the feeder breaker short circuit instantaneous system fails.
Ask the inspector what code you are violating? Better yet, get him on this forum!
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