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Jim,
Don
Do you have the same view about movies and music?
Don
2005 Nec on CD
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Jim,
Don
There is no difference if you are talking about a hard copy, as in general only one user can use the book at a time. Sharing you electronic copy is also ok, provided it is in only one computer at a time.
Don
don_resqcapt19 said:
I agree with Don wholeheartedly on this one. Now If someone wants to sit down with a hard copy and type it onto their computer and make a few comments here and there, they might be able to call it a Handbook. Though I suspect they would need permission of NFPA who would probably get some sort of royalty from it. Now if one of you guys are willing to do this let me know and we can probably do some business if you are willing to sell it for less than $40.
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Jim W in Tampa said:
In other words you got a stolen copy.
Yeah... that would be something I would boast about.
Where is your self respect?
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Jim W in Tampa
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Call it what you like.I call it getting a copy of some laws without being robbed by nfpa .Just how much is too much to pay.They could ask for $500 per copy if they wanted to and you are forced to pay it.Why do they charge such a number for a CD or HARD copy book ? No paper ,ink,or weight involved for the CD.This is not about cant pay it ,it is about being fair.I owe nothing to a private buisness that made laws for others to follow.My self respect comes from not being had.iwire said:
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Jim W in Tampa said:
I did.
So if something is in your opinion overpriced it becomes your right not to pay for it even though you use it?
They could, but they don't.
Have you looked into the price of a full set of law books for FL?
Jim, the NFPA did not make a law, your local Govt made the NEC law by adopting it.
I guess when you do electric work that is required by these adopted laws your customer does not owe you anything either.
allenwayne
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This whole thread has gotten out of whack.It`s kind of like the Napster issue.You can`t download for free but then it was ok to file share then that was not okay to do.DVD recorders are available for as little as Under $100.00.Why are they there so as not to copy DVD`sWho out there when VCR`s were the thing didn`t copy movies at home ????I suppose you insisted on going out and buying the actual movie instead of a low cost copy at home.
If the NFPA was so intent on not having bootleg copies made they could put a copy block on the cd,same as many movie/music companies do.At the cost of the NEC one would think they would.I don`t advocate theft at all ,but when the hard copy is 1/2 the price of a cd for the same thing ?????I feel they should be priced within the same spectrum.That would be fair and I am sure most feel the same way.
If the NFPA was so intent on not having bootleg copies made they could put a copy block on the cd,same as many movie/music companies do.At the cost of the NEC one would think they would.I don`t advocate theft at all ,but when the hard copy is 1/2 the price of a cd for the same thing ?????I feel they should be priced within the same spectrum.That would be fair and I am sure most feel the same way.
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iwire said:I did.
So if something is in your opinion overpriced it becomes your right not to pay for it even though you use it?
They could, but they don't.
Have you looked into the price of a full set of law books for FL?
Jim, the NFPA did not make a law, your local Govt made the NEC law by adopting it.
I guess when you do electric work that is required by these adopted laws your customer does not owe you anything either.
Bob,they wanted the local goverment to adopt it as law.If not just why did they write it ? The real thief was the local gov. that used copywrite material for there own use.They are the ones that should have paid.Do we have a right to print copies of LAWS ? All i have is a copy of some laws that by there being laws is nolonger copywrite protected.No they did not ask $500 but the point is they could and nothing you can do about it.We need the laws but it should not be ran by a private company.Driving laws are not made by a private company nor are any other laws i know about. NFPA need money to operate but they should have figured a legal way to get it from the start.I will not argue that it cost plenty to print a copy and it would be stupid to try and copy one.The true cost to make a copy of anything on a CD in a quanity as large as this is less than $1.Jesse James at least used a gun.I would love to see this issue go to court and sooner or later some lawyer will start a class action law suit seeking damages.We see parts of the code in this forum all the time being printed,that too is copying.
Jim, would you mind telling me what private business made the copyright laws? Read my previous post. If we could eliminate all the law breakers in terms of electrical installations, we would have better wages and safer electrical systems (at least in most cases)!
I personally feel the NFPA does a lot of good. They provide a good service, just as a lot of electricians. It usually takes 3 years and a lot of work to come up with a new edition of the NEC.
If you think they should volunteer their time just so you won't have to say you get satisfaction from not being had by ripping them off, it would seem to me you should be volunteering your services as well. That way none of your customers would have to feel as though they got ripped off.
I don't always agree with the NFPA, but overall I think they do a good job and deserve to be compensated for the work they do.
Or maybe it is okay to rip off technology and patents and copyrights like certain other countries do. Those things do not help our wages either. Nor do they help the US companies compete globally.
Jim, I'm done. Have a great week this next week!
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Well, I guess I've opened a can of worms! IMO I think that the price should be the same as their cheapest book (or a little less), it might be more incentive for people who need them to buy them (making our world a safer place). A lot of folks just starting out can't afford them. And no one should ever "steal" a copy!!!! I was only asking for some help finding the cheapest price.
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I believe we had this discussion about 5 minutes before the NFPA released their free-to-view-only version online.
I don't understand the point of rehashing it now...?
I don't understand the point of rehashing it now...?
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georgestolz said:
It's what we do best...
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celtic said:Some of the slackers in the back row were sleeping
LOL
I have to add some letters for this to post...
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iwire said:It's what we do best...
Bob ,at last we agree on something.Personally i enjoy a good argument.And you do a fine job at it.
I bought the NECH from NFPA .. allowed 2 downloads .. one for home one for laptop .. it will search and find any reference you want ... last code I also bought the pdf format that was worthless .. like a book on the screen .. watch out for that one .. not worth a crap .. the one through NFPA is worth the cost ... BTW got it through E-Bay a bit cheaper than NFPA .. worth every penny ... ask a Q and it gives you the answers or at least where to look ... ...m
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mario said:
What happens should your computer crashe in next 3 years ?
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Jim
What happens if you break a leg and are out of work?
Life is not easy, and we take chances every day.
What happens if you break a leg and are out of work?
Life is not easy, and we take chances every day.
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Jim,
No, you do not have a right to a free copy of the law, you only have a right to free viewing at the local building department office, or in some cases online.
Actually the copyright laws fully apply to all building codes unless you are in the Fifth Court of Appeals (the states of TX, LA and MS). The court opinion is only binding in those states. Based on the fact that you can now view the NEC online for free, I would expect that any case brought against the NFPA in any other Federal Circuit would be decided in favor of the NFPA.
While they are not written by private firms, they are copyrighted and published by private firms. Just ask any attorney how much he spends on law books. Yes, all of the laws are available for free viewing in person at some office or in many cases online, but that does not serve the purpose of the attorney so he buys the copyrighted version for convenience. This is the same for an electrician that wants his own copy of the code…for his convenience.
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