2020 NEC : GEC and bonding screw with “emergency disconnect, service equipment”

The code requires everything metallic upstream of the service disconnect to be bonded to the neutral. Been that way for at least 100 years
Parallel paths on the utility pole no big deal in a house its kinda a problem. If not then why dont we run 12/2 without ground and ground outlets to a neutral?
And for the last 100 years everything metallic upstream of the service disconnect bonded to that neutral was either outside of a building or structure or inside nearest the point of entrance.
Emergency disconnect code has only been in the code a few years (here) and its different animal than regular service equipment, people are using this code to install meter/mains labeled as EM with 3-wire feeders of unlimited length inside a dwelling.
The OP's inspectors dont even understand the section.
EM disconnects cause parallel neutral paths across CSST gas pipe, communications cables etc that were never allowed inside a structure and are still not allowed per 250.6.
Objectionable current is a byproduct of that requirement and with certain installations like metal raceways is permitted because it cannot be mitigated.
Code reference? I don't see an exception to 250.6(A) for the 3-wire feeders created by EM disconnects. It can easily mitigated by installing a 4-wire feeder from the meter/main to the subpanel just like people did under the 2017 NEC.
These EM installations are the 'Federal pacific' of the 2020's, I cant believe the CMP are more concerned with a island receptacle than a gas explosion.
 
Code reference? I don't see an exception to 250.6(A) for the 3-wire feeders created by EM disconnects.
There is no code definition of the term and no requirement to eliminate current that you do not find objectionable.
These EM installations are the 'Federal pacific' of the 2020's, I cant believe the CMP are more concerned with a island receptacle than a gas explosion.

The whole EM thing goes away in the 2026 code. The code will simply require that the service disconnects for one- and two-family dwellings be outside on the structure or within sight from the structure in accordance with 110.29.
 
There is no code definition of the term and no requirement to eliminate current that you do not find objectionable.
Not defined in the NEC does not mean not enforceable, the very definition of a GFCI in the NEC uses the term "Class A".
Class A protection is not defined in the NEC, so by your logic GFCI is not enforceable?
The reason not is Article 100 states in part its "is not intended to include commonly defined general terms or commonly defined technical terms from related codes and standards".

The NESC and IEEE Green Book (IEEE Std 142) use the term objectionable current defined as any current that flows on normally non-current-carrying conductive paths, such as building metals or equipment grounding conductors (EGCs), during normal operation. Contrary to popular belief the NEC rule 92D does not allow objectionable current.
NEC section 250.6 (A) states:
The grounding of electrical systems, circuit conductors, surge arresters, surge-protective devices, and conductive normally non–current-carrying metal parts of equipment shall be installed and arranged in a manner that will prevent objectionable current.
In 90.5 the NEC does define the meaning of the term shall:
(A) Mandatory Rules. Mandatory rules of this Code are those
that identify actions that are specifically required or prohibited
and are characterized by the use of the terms shall or shall not.

There are no exceptions to 250.6, its a fundamental part of 250.
A service fed by a long 3-wire SC cable from a EM disconnect, will cause a voltage drop (rise) on the neutral, that voltage is also present on equipment grounds.
Everything you expect to be electrically grounded can become a shock hazard.
In addition gas pipe especially CSST gas pipe becomes a parallel conductor.
Objectionable current on grounding and bonding paths like gas fittings can raise the temperature at a loose fitting enough to ignite combustible materials. Arcing at loose fittings is very dangerous as we all know.

The whole EM thing goes away in the 2026 code. The code will simply require that the service disconnects for one- and two-family dwellings be outside on the structure or within sight from the structure in accordance with 110.29.
Yes they are a hazard EM disconnects are the federal pacific panels of the 2020's, people will be correcting them for decades.
 
Not defined in the NEC does not mean not enforceable, the very definition of a GFCI in the NEC uses the term "Class A".
Class A protection is not defined in the NEC, so by your logic GFCI is not enforceable?
The reason not is Article 100 states in part its "is not intended to include commonly defined general terms or commonly defined technical terms from related codes and standards".

The NESC and IEEE Green Book (IEEE Std 142) use the term objectionable current defined as any current that flows on normally non-current-carrying conductive paths, such as building metals or equipment grounding conductors (EGCs), during normal operation. Contrary to popular belief the NEC rule 92D does not allow objectionable current.
NEC section 250.6 (A) states:

In 90.5 the NEC does define the meaning of the term shall:


There are no exceptions to 250.6, its a fundamental part of 250.
A service fed by a long 3-wire SC cable from a EM disconnect, will cause a voltage drop (rise) on the neutral, that voltage is also present on equipment grounds.
Everything you expect to be electrically grounded can become a shock hazard.
In addition gas pipe especially CSST gas pipe becomes a parallel conductor.
Objectionable current on grounding and bonding paths like gas fittings can raise the temperature at a loose fitting enough to ignite combustible materials. Arcing at loose fittings is very dangerous as we all know.


Yes they are a hazard EM disconnects are the federal pacific panels of the 2020's, people will be correcting them for decades.
As far as the Class A GFCI, the informational note since at least the 2011 has told the code user exactly what a Class A GFCI device is.

As far as the objectionable current, we are not going to agree.

Can you show me a real world incident that was investigated by an electrical professional where there was a hazardous result of a parallel current path where the system neutral was not compromised?

The shock hazard is limited to the voltage drop on the service neutral and unless that neutral is compromised, there is not a real shock hazard. If there is a neutral problem on the line side of the main bonding jumper, there will be a shock hazard associated with everything connected to the electrical bonding and grounding system, even without a parallel path. If there is a problem with the neutral on the load side of the main bonding jumper, the parallel path might prevent damage to the electrical equipment connected line to neutral.

Every service in my area has code required parallel paths for neutral current as a local amendment requires all service conductors to be installed in RMC or IMC and there will always be neutral current flowing on the raceway between the meter and the service equipment.

The code required bonding of metal underground water pipes results in neutral current on the metal water piping system assuming the main is metallic like it is in a lot of older areas. The current on the water pipe is often 20 to 25% of the total neutral current if there are no poor connections on the water piping system. If there is a high impedance path via the water pipe, the current is very limited.

Same with cable TV where the shield in bonded to the electrical grounding system at every house and creates a parallel path for neutral current. I saw this path start a fire when the service neutral was open and there was no metal underground water piping system

CSST is so hazardous, it should not be permitted. That is exactly what the original investigations of fires related to that product said. When the CSST bonding requirements were submitted to CMP 5 for inclusion in the NEC, those proposals were rejected because the submitters could not provide any technical evidence the the bonding would prevent the CSST related fires. To this day, there are no special bonding requirements in the NEC for CSST.
 
There is no code definition of the term and no requirement to eliminate current that you do not find objectionable.


The whole EM thing goes away in the 2026 code. The code will simply require that the service disconnects for one- and two-family dwellings be outside on the structure or within sight from the structure in accordance with 110.29.

The guys that made the rules should be canned from the cmp-
Unless people are dying from an installation procedure we need to just stop changing this dumb book every three years.
I got 20 more years in this trade and want out already
 
EM disconnects that are not service equipment do not create feeders they're still service conductors.
Just playing labels
Replace label emergency disconnect, not service equipment
with label emergency disconnect, service disconnect
Then what?
 
The guys that made the rules should be canned from the cmp-
Unless people are dying from an installation procedure we need to just stop changing this dumb book every three years.
I got 20 more years in this trade and want out already
I agree. The NEC is an absolutely abhorrent publication and organization, makes me want to quit the trade everyday.
 
Just playing labels
Replace label emergency disconnect, not service equipment
with label emergency disconnect, service disconnect
Then what?
Then after the switch you have a feeder.
 
EM disconnects that are not service equipment do not create feeders they're still service conductors.
I will always call everything after the first OCPD a feeder, and thats the problem with the EM disconnects. What I commonly see is standard meter mains that are listed as "suitable ONLY for use as service equipment." being used as these. I have seen the floating meter main can the OP's inspector is requiring, improper bonding, and neutral current in the home.

CSST is so hazardous, it should not be permitted.
I have not seen a regular black gas pipe in new construction in decades.
 
As far as the Class A GFCI, the informational note since at least the 2011
Informational notes are not enforceable, it falls back to Section 100 itself.
The code required bonding of metal underground water pipes results in neutral current on the metal water piping system assuming the main is metallic like it is in a lot of older areas. The current on the water pipe is often 20 to 25% of the total neutral current

Same with cable TV where the shield in bonded to the electrical grounding system at every house and creates a parallel path for neutral current. I saw this path start a fire when the service neutral was open and there was no metal underground water piping system.
We agree on this, thank you.
 
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