2023 NATIONAL ELECTRIC CODE - Section 210.8(F)

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Note: Text of the TIA was issued and approved for incorporation into the document prior to printing. Will this now be in the 2023 NEC ?
 

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TIAs that were issued prior to the release of the 2023 code become part of the first printing of the code.
210.8(F) Outdoor Outlets.
For dwellings, all outdoor outlets, other than those covered in 210.8(A), Exception No. 1, including outlets installed in the following locations, and supplied by single-phase branch circuits rated 150 volts or less to ground, 50 amperes or less, shall be provided with GFCI protection:
(1) Garages that have floors located at or below grade level
(2) Accessory buildings
(3) Boathouses

If equipment supplied by an outlet covered under the requirements of this section is replaced, the outlet shall be supplied with GFCI protection.

Exception No. 1:
GFCI protection shall not be required on lighting outlets other than those covered in 210.8(C).

Exception No. 2:
GFCI protection shall not be required for listed HVAC equipment. This exception shall expire September 1, 2026.
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210.8(F) is for Outlets. No more hardwired exceptions for anything <=50A outdoors, in garages, Accessory buildings, or Boathouses.

IMO GFCI disconnect for HVAC condenser units may not hold up for 5yr warranty period.
 
Clearly the intent of the code change was not intended to include hardwired utilization equipment.
 

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wwhitney said:
Every piece of utilization equipment has an outlet, whether it is cord and plug connected or it is hardwired. See the definition of outlet.

Cheers, Wayne
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I agree. IMO dumb for hardwired AC units but that's what it says.
 
wwhitney said:
Every piece of utilization equipment has an outlet, whether it is cord and plug connected or it is hardwired. See the definition of outlet.

Cheers, Wayne
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If you have an exterior meter/main combo that has conduit feeding directly to an AC unit, where is the outlet 🤣?
 
mtnelect said:
Note: Text of the TIA was issued and approved for incorporation into the document prior to printing. Will this now be in the 2023 NEC ?
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The TIAs written by CMP-2 were rejected and an exception was added to the language of the 2023 I would like to see a full list of units that have compatibility issues.
 
wwhitney said:
Every piece of utilization equipment has an outlet, whether it is cord and plug connected or it is hardwired. See the definition of outlet.

Cheers, Wayne
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Why does 210.8(D) have to distinguish between hardwired and cord and plug connected if all branch circuits are connected to an outlet anyway isn't that a waste of time to make multiple definitions that exist in the same place anyway?
 
Bill Snyder said:
Why does 210.8(D) have to distinguish between hardwired and cord and plug connected if all branch circuits are connected to an outlet anyway isn't that a waste of time to make multiple definitions that exist in the same place anyway?
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Yes, that could be simplified to just say that the outlet that supplies the equipment have GFCI protection.
 
don_resqcapt19 said:
The substantiation for the change makes it very,very clear that the intent was to include hardwired equipment as the substantiation cited a death from a hard-wired AC unit.
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That substantiation was shot down by the standards council for lacking technical merit that installation had no EGC.
 
Bill Snyder said:
That substantiation was shot down by the standards council for lacking technical merit that installation had no EGC.
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You haven't said anything that changes the fact that the NEC definition of outlet includes hardwired equipment.

Outlet. A point on the wiring system at which current is taken to supply utilization equipment.
 
ActionDave said:
You haven't said anything that changes the fact that the NEC definition of outlet includes hardwired equipment.

Outlet. A point on the wiring system at which current is taken to supply utilization equipment.
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Which brings up a question I've had. If a circuit runs straight from the breaker directly to the untilzation equipment with no j box, etc. where is the outlet ??
 
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