It would seem the circuit he installed doesn't have any other outlets on it, only the 5 duplex "Receptacle Outlets" dedicated to that particular circuit.
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It would seem the circuit he installed doesn't have any other outlets on it, only the 5 duplex "Receptacle Outlets" dedicated to that particular circuit.
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al hildenbrand
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LarryFine
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It has no other outlets; all of the outlets are laundry-area receptacles.
"Other outlets" would be lighting outlets or receptacles in other areas.
rcarroll
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My water heater is right next to my clothes washer. And, it supplies hot water to the washer when needed.
However, the water heater is 240 volts.
I would give the OP a green tag.
kwired
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House I lived in before had laundry (washer and a dryer), boiler, boiler circulating pump, AC air handler, water heater, water softener, and service panel all in same room in an unfinished basement area. Where does the "laundry" end when it comes to other receptacle outlets in that room? If a fastened in place and cord and plug connected, and draws more than 50% of branch circuit rating we at least have a code section that says it needs it's own branch circuit.
My previously mentioned issue with an inspector was basically a extra wide hallway passing between a door from the attached garage and a door leading into other portion of the house. On the one side was the washer and dryer, the other side was basically walkway between the two doors into the space. Receptacle in question was on the wall close to the floor in the "walkway" side of the space (on the wall behind you if you were facing the washer/dryer). It was on the circuit supplying the bedroom on the adjacent side of that wall, the washer had it's own individual 20 amp circuit supplying it. Inspector said it needed to be on the laundry circuit. Only reason he discovered it was when he pressed GFCI test button on his plug in tester it never tripped anything, but this receptacle shouldn't have required GFCI protection either IMO.
Yes it was in same room as the "laundry". No that don't necessarily mean it is part of the "laundry". Yes being in same vicinity it can be considered to be part of the laundry. One argument given by others in the past is "if you plugged an iron in there, it needs to be part of the laundry circut". Well my reply is what if you bring your clothes into the bedroom and iron them in there? Maybe we need a receptacle in the bedroom with "laundry use only" marked on it and make sure it is on same circuit as the "laundry circuit" :slaphead:
My previously mentioned issue with an inspector was basically a extra wide hallway passing between a door from the attached garage and a door leading into other portion of the house. On the one side was the washer and dryer, the other side was basically walkway between the two doors into the space. Receptacle in question was on the wall close to the floor in the "walkway" side of the space (on the wall behind you if you were facing the washer/dryer). It was on the circuit supplying the bedroom on the adjacent side of that wall, the washer had it's own individual 20 amp circuit supplying it. Inspector said it needed to be on the laundry circuit. Only reason he discovered it was when he pressed GFCI test button on his plug in tester it never tripped anything, but this receptacle shouldn't have required GFCI protection either IMO.
Yes it was in same room as the "laundry". No that don't necessarily mean it is part of the "laundry". Yes being in same vicinity it can be considered to be part of the laundry. One argument given by others in the past is "if you plugged an iron in there, it needs to be part of the laundry circut". Well my reply is what if you bring your clothes into the bedroom and iron them in there? Maybe we need a receptacle in the bedroom with "laundry use only" marked on it and make sure it is on same circuit as the "laundry circuit" :slaphead:
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I don't know the exact details, so I was reluctant to chime in earlier, but I am sure that the laundry room circuit requirement predates the invention of the washing machine so if there is any doubt the inspector is wrong right there is your proof; you just need a code geek/historian to help you out.
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I agree, it's splitting hairs but the two things are not the same.
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- Tennessee NEC:2017
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- Semi-Retired Electrician
Just to be clear, the water heater is a tankless gas heater and the 120V is just for the igniter or control board. So no real load there. What's to stop anyone from plugging in a window A/C, multiple irons, vacuum cleaner, or whatever else they want in the other general receptacles in this room?
IMO, the "letter" of the code has been met. No way to restrict what gets plugged in.
IMO, the "letter" of the code has been met. No way to restrict what gets plugged in.
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Because the HWH is fastened in place.
kwired
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I agree the tankless WH is almost an insignificant load but there is this technicality:
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What's the technicality?
kwired
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I don't see a problem myself, but some may think because it is fastened in place it needs to be on something other then the "laundry circuit". I don't know that NEC is worded well enough to say it should or shouldn't be, just like my example with the additional receptacle in same area isn't all that clear to some as to whether or not it can be on a different circuit. I think it can be.
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True, but irrelevant. The code requirement is that there be a 20 amp circuit to serve one or more receptacle outlets in the laundry area, and that there be no outlets on that circuit other than the one or more receptacle outlets in the laundry area. The "outlet" is what you plug things into. No matter what you plug into the receptacle, that thing is not the "outlet," and plugging it in does not create a "no other outlets" issue
kwired
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Now what if the water heater was a 1300 watt "insta hot" unit?
Hard wired I would say it would violate the "No other Outlets" on the Laundry circuit clause.
Plugged in, I would say it's simply a 1300 watt load plugged into the dedicated 20a Laundry circuit.
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Yes, but, at 10.83 amps I would think that thing plugged into any 120v 20a circuit other than it's own would be a violation, wouldn't it?
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When the electrician and the electrical inspector walk away from the house, all that remains is five receptacle outlets on a 20 amp circuit, all five being in the area where laundry tasks are performed. Nothing else matters.
kwired
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I agree that is how it should work.
I also believe additional receptacles from other circuits are not prohibited in that area and if intended to serve something specific can even be required.
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