210.12

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anyone know the reason kitchen-garage-bath lights do not require afci protection???????wonder what they are calling simliar room???????????
 
that ok---sorry about any other post i have commented on that sound stupid---i am just trying to take everything from hands on to the book for the minimum answers so i can pass test.....appears test always ask for minimum or max answers.thanks for your time and comments everyone!
 
480sparky said:
Tests are more about the book than hands-on experience. At least when it comes to licensing.
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i agree 100% about the book..........(licensing)---but lets get back on the topic -----sounds crazy that 210.12 requires afci protection on all lights except baths-kit-garages---i am still looking for input on this topic!!!!!!!!!!
 
surf more said:
i agree 100% about the book..........(licensing)---but lets get back on the topic -----sounds crazy that 210.12 requires afci protection on all lights except baths-kit-garages---i am still looking for input on this topic!!!!!!!!!!
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Good things come to he who waits.

Give it time. There's always the '11.....
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I'd submit that the limit of areas under 210.12 is mostly political, and not based on electrical physics or rationale. There was a lot of push back against the 2008 210.12 expansion from just the bedroom. One of the stronger push-back arguments is the added cost. There are, comparatively few circuits in the "living areas" that require AFCI in the 2008 NEC.
 
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anyone know the reason kitchen-garage-bath lights do not require afci protection???????wonder what they are calling simliar room???????????
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That is a good question. I wonder why they would leave unprotected lighting circuits floating around the home. When they say Kitchens , baths and garages are exempt from AFCI, it should be specified for the receptacles only I guess. I am sure if you bring it up around the wrong person, it will be required
 
but wow as specific as the nec is with the wording!!!seems very strange!!!this 2008 code=alot more to wire a house--between afci--inter bonding system--tamper receptacles--gfci--and straight 40 circuit panels so all them darn afci breakers will all fit!!!!!!another funny one=210.8(a2) what about a freezer circuit ,and if it was full of food=you out town=gfci trips----2005 code just slide an ol single 125v receptacle for garage freezer,not no more!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I had the same question, so I asked one of the code panel members and here was his reply from May of 08.

Mike:

It's actually not a complicated answer. The panel was looking for a way to take the next step in AFCI and we ended up getting a comment that suggested we use a list of rooms similar to that in 210.52(A). That's basically what we did only we took out kitchens (because they are a definable space) and added hallways and closets.

There is no issue with having AFCIs on laundry, kitchen or other circuits not included in the requirement.

This just gave a way for the panel to move incrementally forward.

Jim
 
!!!!!!another funny one=210.8(a2) what about a freezer circuit ,and if it was full of food=you out town=gfci trips----2005 code just slide an ol single 125v receptacle for garage freezer,not no more!!!!!!!!!!!
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The UL standard for refrigeration equipment does not permit enought leakage current from the compressor motor to trip a GFCI device. So if a fridge or freezer trips a GFCI device then there is a problem with the appliance. This is the reson that the CMP eliminated the exceptions for GFCI protection in a garage.

Chris
 
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