210.52(C)(3)

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Which rendition is correct?

NEC 2017 210.52 (C) Countertops and Work Surfaces.(3) Peninsular Countertop Spaces. At least one receptacle outlet shall be installed at each peninsular countertop long dimension space with a long dimension of 600 mm (24 in.) or greater and a short dimension of 300 mm (12 in.) or greater. A peninsular countertop is measured from the connected perpendicular wall.
 

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rcarroll said:
Based on the thread Jumper provided, I vote the drawing on the left is approved by the 2017 NEC.
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I would agree the wording is describing the left drawing but it is interesting that the NEC commentary uses the right side drawing for an example. Puts inspectors in a controversial setting.
 
mwm1752 said:
Which rendition is correct?

NEC 2017 210.52 (C) Countertops and Work Surfaces.(3) Peninsular Countertop Spaces. At least one receptacle outlet shall be installed at each peninsular countertop long dimension space with a long dimension of 600 mm (24 in.) or greater and a short dimension of 300 mm (12 in.) or greater. A peninsular countertop is measured from the connected perpendicular wall.
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Your layout A is correct. (0ne on the left) However, nothing would prohibit your enhanced layout B as well...more is better in this case and look for a change to clarify things a bit in the 2020 cycle.
 
mwm1752 said:
I would agree the wording is describing the left drawing but it is interesting that the NEC commentary uses the right side drawing for an example. Puts inspectors in a controversial setting.
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If by commentary you mean what is in the NEC handbook - remember that commentary is the author's opinion and not an official NFPA interpretation. Is in many ways no different then Mike Holt publishing the things he does, he just isn't writing anything with NFPA's name on the cover also.

I also think the way the wording was changed the left drawing is compliant, don't know if that was the intent, but that is how it turned out.
 
Wait a minute!........it would appear that the refrigerator receptacle is with-in 6' of the kitchen sink......I don't see a "G" identifying it to be GFCI'd ? Neither are correct.
 
mopowr steve said:
Wait a minute!........it would appear that the refrigerator receptacle is with-in 6' of the kitchen sink......I don't see a "G" identifying it to be GFCI'd ������ Neither are correct.
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I believe those graphics were made before the code required gfci for non counter receptacles in a kitchen
 
Dennis Alwon said:
I believe those graphics were made before the code required gfci for non counter receptacles in a kitchen
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If the intent of drawing them was to illustrate changes to the 2017 NEC?

That aspect wasn't the focus of the drawing and could have been overlooked, could also have used an older drawing as a starting point and modified it to show the peninsula receptacle issue and overlooked other things that could need updating as well.
 
kwired said:
If the intent of drawing them was to illustrate changes to the 2017 NEC?

That aspect wasn't the focus of the drawing and could have been overlooked, could also have used an older drawing as a starting point and modified it to show the peninsula receptacle issue and overlooked other things that could need updating as well.
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Those graphics were around before the 2o17 was even thought about. Maybe the 2011 or 2014 at the latest
 
Dennis Alwon said:
Those graphics were around before the 2o17 was even thought about. Maybe the 2011 or 2014 at the latest
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After several years they all start to look the same, until you look at the details the author of the content is trying to get across. Could be the same "base" that was used for graphics illustrating something relating to 1993 NEC for all we know.
 
My vote is for the diagram on the right.

A receptacle "on the long dimension" is shown in the diagram on the right. Its missing in the diagram on the left.

I'm confused why others say the diagram on the right matches the 2017?
 
steve66 said:
My vote is for the diagram on the right.

A receptacle "on the long dimension" is shown in the diagram on the right. Its missing in the diagram on the left.

I'm confused why others say the diagram on the right matches the 2017?
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The NECHB code section describes the left side but it also has the illustration for that same section as is rendered on the right side --
 
mwm1752 said:
The NECHB code section describes the left side but it also has the illustration for that same section as is rendered on the right side --
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I'm still not seeing that. I looked at both the code paragraph and the handbook commentary.

To me, it looks like a receptacle is required on the long dimension. That sounds like a receptacle on the side of the island. One on the counter top wall wouldn't work, and one on the end of the island wouldn't work.

I must still be missing something, because everyone else seems to agree with you.
 
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