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Am I correct that this means just what it says, If I have a laundry sink, then a non GFI receptacle for the washing machine must be at least 6' from the sink even if the washing machine is closer than 6'?
 
Yup, the NEC is only concerned with the location of the receptacle not the washing machine.
 
GlennH said:
Am I correct that this means just what it says, If I have a laundry sink, then a non GFI receptacle for the washing machine must be at least 6' from the sink even if the washing machine is closer than 6'?
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I think Rob misinterpreted what you said. ANY 15 or 20 amp 125 volt receptacle within 6' of that sink needs GFCI protection and it does not matter if it is for the laundry or not.
 
kwired said:
I think Rob misinterpreted what you said. ANY 15 or 20 amp 125 volt receptacle within 6' of that sink needs GFCI protection and it does not matter if it is for the laundry or not.
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I don't know, I think he got it.

I'm just not sure I understand the rational, in that situation, why the receptacle needs the GFCI protection and not the appliance plugged into it.
 
kwired said:
I think Rob misinterpreted what you said. ANY 15 or 20 amp 125 volt receptacle within 6' of that sink needs GFCI protection and it does not matter if it is for the laundry or not.
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I think that he asked about two things, the receptacle location and the washing machine location. The NEC doesn't care where the washing machine is located in relation to the sink.
 
GlennH said:
I don't know, I think he got it.

I'm just not sure I understand the rational, in that situation, why the receptacle needs the GFCI protection and not the appliance plugged into it.
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Ok he is on the right track, you are not quite there though. Read the first sentence of 210.8(A). It applies to receptacles. The subsections are locations of those receptacles. 210.8 does not care what loads are plugged in to the receptacles, it just wants GFCI protection in the locations mentioned. Dedicated receptacles for a specific appliance exceptions have been gone for a couple code cycles now.
 
kwired said:
Ok he is on the right track, you are not quite there though. Read the first sentence of 210.8(A). It applies to receptacles. The subsections are locations of those receptacles. 210.8 does not care what loads are plugged in to the receptacles, it just wants GFCI protection in the locations mentioned. Dedicated receptacles for a specific appliance exceptions have been gone for a couple code cycles now.
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Nah, I understand what it says, I'm not sure I understand the reasoning. Let me try again.

In a laundry room , if I have a sink within 6' of a recept it needs GFCI protection, not because of any increased danger with the recept itself but because of something that might get plugged into it, i.e. a radio or an iron. Now if I have a washing machine or other appliance 4' away from the sink what is the reasoning for requiring a GFCI protected recept for it that is 5' from the sink but not if it is 6 1/2' from the sink?

In that situation, Is not the shock hazard because of the distance from the sink to the washing machine and not the recept itself?
 
GlennH said:
Nah, I understand what it says, I'm not sure I understand the reasoning. Let me try again.

In a laundry room , if I have a sink within 6' of a recept it needs GFCI protection, not because of any increased danger with the recept itself but because of something that might get plugged into it, i.e. a radio or an iron. Now if I have a washing machine or other appliance 4' away from the sink what is the reasoning for requiring a GFCI protected recept for it that is 5' from the sink but not if it is 6 1/2' from the sink?

In that situation, Is not the shock hazard because of the distance from the sink to the washing machine and not the recept itself?
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No. The metal shell of the washing machine is grounded... plus it certainly is not going to fall into a sink full of water... :D
 
I had a similar situation when I installed a washer in my basement in a previous residence. I put a GFCI breaker in the panel and a single receptacle at the washer location. Now the inspector said that because I had only one receptacle on the circuit I could have dispensed with the the GFCI. I'm not sure whether it was under 2002 or 2005; it was right in the grace period. Anyone know why he might have said that?
 
gadfly56 said:
I had a similar situation when I installed a washer in my basement in a previous residence. I put a GFCI breaker in the panel and a single receptacle at the washer location. Now the inspector said that because I had only one receptacle on the circuit I could have dispensed with the the GFCI. I'm not sure whether it was under 2002 or 2005; it was right in the grace period. Anyone know why he might have said that?
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NJ currently still allows the exception that was eliminated in the 2008 NEC.
 
GlennH said:
Nah, I understand what it says, I'm not sure I understand the reasoning. Let me try again.

In a laundry room , if I have a sink within 6' of a recept it needs GFCI protection, not because of any increased danger with the recept itself but because of something that might get plugged into it, i.e. a radio or an iron. Now if I have a washing machine or other appliance 4' away from the sink what is the reasoning for requiring a GFCI protected recept for it that is 5' from the sink but not if it is 6 1/2' from the sink?

In that situation, Is not the shock hazard because of the distance from the sink to the washing machine and not the recept itself?
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You are still missing the point that the NEC doesn't care what is plugged into that receptacle - if it is within 6 feet of a sink it needs GFCI protection. Now 2014 NEC did add "laundry areas" to the list in 210.8(A) so that washer (and any other receptacle considered in the laundry area) is going to have GFCI even if there is no sink if you are using 2014.

gadfly56 said:
I had a similar situation when I installed a washer in my basement in a previous residence. I put a GFCI breaker in the panel and a single receptacle at the washer location. Now the inspector said that because I had only one receptacle on the circuit I could have dispensed with the the GFCI. I'm not sure whether it was under 2002 or 2005; it was right in the grace period. Anyone know why he might have said that?
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Can't recall exactly what the differences were between 2002 and 2005 but 2008 did away with all the exceptions that allowed dedicated circuits, dedicated receptacles, non readily accessible receptacles, etc. This included ceiling receptacles in garages and unfinished basements that were not required before to have GFCI protection.

Smart $ said:
Yes... but we can't prevent stupidity.
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And they keep building better idiots. Take away the non GFCI protected receptacles and you only promote the use of extension cords, or GFCI removal when something has been tripping a GFCI.
 
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