23 grand feels like a waste

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Rewire said:
I have ran help wanted adds in the paper several times when looking for help I never looked at it as a "bad" thing to do.
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That's how I got my last job and after moving into management years later I used the newspaper to hire lots of electricians. I don't get what is wrong with it.
 
Another poster mentioned it and I've personally experienced the fact that adds are "usually" ran by companies that have a hard time getting and keeping good people. Doesn't mean that is always that way or that it's a bad way to get experience. One company takes a dookie on you, get your affidavit of experience ASAP and move on.
 
JONATHAN20 said:
i been out of school for a while (23000 on the electrical program) ive sent out more applications then i have fingers and toes and not a single response. If anyone on this website is stationed in connecticut help me out please. Just remember 100' roll of mc 60 bucks, licensed mechanic running pipe 30$ an hour getting an apprentice to do mechanics work for half the price............priceless. come on fellas
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I appreciate your enthusiasm. But I'd be surprised if you can do what a good Journeyman can do for half the price.:roll:

But in all seriousness, good luck with the search.
 
j_erickson said:
I'd be surprised if you can do what a good Journeyman can do for half the price.
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I would be surprised if Jonathan can do half of what a good journeyman can for half the price. And that may be part of his problem finding employment. He will probably have to apply for positions that require no experience because he doesn't have any and then let his tech. school training help him to advance a little faster than those without said training.

If I were Jonathan I would try to find an industrial or commercial contractor that would give me any sort of job just to get some time on a job site. Once he gets a year of actual job site experience his previous training is going to start to look a lot better ( at least on paper ), then it will start looking more like a total of two years in the trade ( one school, one OJT). A few calluses ( from the shovel ), a good tan ( wind burn ) and a little muscle from pulling wire even changes the way a guy looks going in for a job. A set of tools and boots that are broke in and you would never know he's not a real electrician. :smile:
 
For me with employees there is a fine line between letting me know they are qualified and willing to work hard and telling me how much they know and how great they are. I have interviewed a few KNOW IT ALLS that most likely knew quite a bit, but their over confidence came across as BS.

Let your interviewer know your wiliness and training but telling him you can do the same as a mechanic may come across as baloney.
 
I don't see the issue with newspapers either - I thought the sure sign of baloney was when mailers were sent out to all licensed electricians for three counties, claiming you'd make $80,000 a year doing service work. That's my test for a bad sign. :D
 
khixxx said:
Jrannis, I got your point. I'm just going with my experience. I've only been in the field for 7 years. I held a journeyman's before I worked a day in the field. I was making about $5 more an hour over guys that were going to ABC classes. I spent 18 months in a state approved electrical program. I however paid $10k The state and Government paid around $8k I still had to relocate and put in about 30 hours a week in as a busboy. 5 years in the field I passed both my Masters exam and my Contractors exam. during those 5 years I spent most of my time as E&I Which I needed a degree to get that position or at least that is what they were looking for. I now have 7 years in the field. I currently work I&C at Power Generation stations. How ever my buddy went to the same school as me. He got a free ride from the state, Not sure but I think they even gave him money sense he had to relocate to go to school. I can work 4 months and make more than he does all year. I put forth more of an effort than he did. If he would have to pay and work like I did when going to school I doubt he would have taken that program. Not sure what he would be doing. He likes what he does and I like what I do. I guess it works out in the end.

Some of you guys must know something I don't. Usually when someone gets something for free they take it for granted. When its your own dime you put for more of an effort. I have went to numerous training classes on my companies dime.
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Im not sure what E&I or I&C is. Can you help me out with that?
Also, I do recall that apprentices have to pay for their books.
Which State did you get your electrical training?
 
Back in the 80's , we had an opening for a walk on electrian.This dude applied, was cool,always showed up in a suit/tie .We would give different tests to canidates , conduit bending,transformer identification,ect.This guy kept showing up to see how his prospects looked. He fit right in, A real assest to our shop.I was sorry when he moved on.He's now running a big draw bridge job in D.C.
 
You paid $23,000 for an electrical program?!?!? wow I went through a vocational school it was free! Gosh $23,000 is enough for one year of college with eight classes! Sounds like you got ripped off to me wow.
 
jrannis said:
Im not sure what E&I or I&C is. Can you help me out with that?
Also, I do recall that apprentices have to pay for their books.
Which State did you get your electrical training?
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www.triangle-tech.com in Dubois, PA. I then had to relocate for work, not much going on in PA. I relocated near Hagerstown, MD. I got my license in WV.

My employer had about 120 electricians, He would go up and hire 17 guys. Not all were bad not all were good. I know he still hires from there. I did an interveiw in Durham, NC even that guy hired from that school. I'm not saying that was a great school I know I got my money out of it. I heard rumors that the tuition is now around $28k I would think twice on that one. It seems most of the guys going lost their jobs from the mines or other places. Now they get a FREE education. I don't think they could charge that price if the state and federal governments were paying for it.

I think Jonathan was telling you guys, that an EC can charge full price for his work and EC only could pay him half? Not to many people have helped the lad out. He has posted before about not finding work.

E&I, I&C = A Google search :)
 
khixxx said:
www.triangle-tech.com in Dubois, PA. I then had to relocate for work, not much going on in PA. I relocated near Hagerstown, MD. I got my license in WV.

My employer had about 120 electricians, He would go up and hire 17 guys. Not all were bad not all were good. I know he still hires from there. I did an interveiw in Durham, NC even that guy hired from that school. I'm not saying that was a great school I know I got my money out of it. I heard rumors that the tuition is now around $28k I would think twice on that one. It seems most of the guys going lost their jobs from the mines or other places. Now they get a FREE education. I don't think they could charge that price if the state and federal governments were paying for it.

I think Jonathan was telling you guys, that an EC can charge full price for his work and EC only could pay him half? Not to many people have helped the lad out. He has posted before about not finding work.

E&I, I&C = A Google search :)
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Pardon my ignorance, I didnt know things like this existed
 
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