'23 NEC 210.8(F) Clarification
- Thread starter augie47
- Start date
- Location
- New Jersey
- Occupation
- Journeyman Electrician
Mike Holt said that in his 2023 code change book but I thought that it was part of a TIA or something.
mtnelect
HVAC & Electrical Contractor
- Location
- Southern California
- Occupation
- Contractor, C10 & C20 - Semi Retired
This might help to explain.
mtnelect
HVAC & Electrical Contractor
- Location
- Southern California
- Occupation
- Contractor, C10 & C20 - Semi Retired
This is the original proposal.
mtnelect
HVAC & Electrical Contractor
- Location
- Southern California
- Occupation
- Contractor, C10 & C20 - Semi Retired
This is the TIA for NEC 210.8(F)
- Location
- Illinois
- Occupation
- retired electrician
TIA 23-3 added exception #2 to 210.8(F).
That is not the case for TIAs that are adopted after the original publication. Those TIAs, to be legally enforceable, must be specifically adopted by the unit of government that adopted the code.
This is a TIA that was issued before the first edition of the 2023 was published, so it was automatically adopted when the 2023 code was adopted.g
That is not the case for TIAs that are adopted after the original publication. Those TIAs, to be legally enforceable, must be specifically adopted by the unit of government that adopted the code.
mtnelect
HVAC & Electrical Contractor
- Location
- Southern California
- Occupation
- Contractor, C10 & C20 - Semi Retired
This is TIA 1653, where they exempted outside outlets from GFCI originally.
I keep forgetting to read the entire Section.
I read Exception 2 to 210.8(F) in that GFCI protection was not needed on HVAC equipment.
Once I put my glasses on I see that Exception expires in 2026 in line with the TIA
I had never seen an exception with a expiration date
I read Exception 2 to 210.8(F) in that GFCI protection was not needed on HVAC equipment.
Once I put my glasses on I see that Exception expires in 2026 in line with the TIA
I had never seen an exception with a expiration date
mtnelect
HVAC & Electrical Contractor
- Location
- Southern California
- Occupation
- Contractor, C10 & C20 - Semi Retired
As I understand it ... GFCI are back on and required everywhere for the 2023 NEC. All TIA (Temporary Interim Amendment) have expired or have been denied.
shortcircuit2
Senior Member
- Location
- South of Bawstin
Mass deleted 210.8(F) for 2023
GFCI may be problematic with nuisance tripping for septic pump systems and wells
GFCI may be problematic with nuisance tripping for septic pump systems and wells
wwhitney
Senior Member
- Location
- Berkeley, CA
- Occupation
- Retired
What makes you say that? Don's information in post #6 is not in agreement, and Exception #2 to 210.8(F) still shows up in the 2023 NEC on nfpa.org/70.
Cheers, Wayne
- Location
- Illinois
- Occupation
- retired electrician
I don't think the issues will be resolved by the 9/1/26 expiration date, but the first draft of the 2026 code says.
While the SPGFCI may solve the problem, they are not readily available as as far as I know there are no plans to have a breaker type SPGFCI. They are all large, and expensive stand alone devices, and they require an additional conductor between the SPGFCI device and the protected load. This is used to verify that the EGC is intact. If either the EGC or the "ground check" conductor is open, the device will open the power circuit.