240w dedicTed ct unplug

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wyreman

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City inspector told me today that any cord and plug connected hood fan will require it's own dedicated circuit.
ThIs dedicated circuit will require Old fP panel to be brought into compliance.

Now, he continued, if the hood fan was hardwired, there would be no need for individual circuit.


Now I know individually fixed in place appliances are calculated in article 220 but I didn't realize that was required to be a dedicated circuit.
I thought dedicated circuit was only when the amoacity was more than half the rated for the wire

I'm not arguing
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! I'm just saying?

I actually just called him back asking if we can abandon and just blanket off



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wyreman

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His response( I love texting)


"You cannot remove the sorcerer of ventilation in the kitchen"



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wyreman

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Look of the nameplate it's not rated for that there's a picture of the cord and plug


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jumper

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If this is a range hood:

422.16(B)(4) Range Hoods. Range hoods shall be permitted to be
cord-and-plug-connected with a flexible cord identified as
suitable for use on range hoods in the installation instructions
of the appliance manufacturer, where all of the following
conditions are met:
(1) The flexible cord is terminated with a grounding-type
attachment plug.
Exception: A listed range hood distinctly marked to identify
it as protected by a system of double insulation, or its
equivalent, shall not be required to be terminated with a
grounding-type attachment plug.
(2) The length of the cord is not less than 450 mm (18 in.)
and not over 900 mm (36 in.).
(3) Receptacles are located to avoid physical damage to the
flexible cord.
(4) The receptacle is accessible.
(5) The receptacle is supplied by an individual branch
circuit.
 

fmtjfw

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Individual branch circuit it is.

Individual branch circuit it is.

Look of the nameplate it's not rated for that there's a picture of the cord and plug


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I presume you are not planning to move this thing from one part of the kitchen to another or even to remove it often for cleaning or maintenance? But if you insist on a plug connection --

The instruction sheet suggests:

"A 120 volt, 60 Hz, AC only, 15- or 20-amp, fused electrical circuit is required. A time-delay fuse or circuit breaker is also recommended. It is recommended that a separate circuit serving only this range hood be provided"

In agreement with your inspector.

And 422.16 Flexible Cords. (B)Specific Appliances. (4) Range Hoods.
Range hoods shall be permitted to be cord-and-plug-connected with a flexible cord identified as suitable for use on range hoods in the installation instructions of the appliance manufacturer, where all of the following conditions are met:
....
(5) The receptacle is supplied by an individual branch circuit.

Demands it.

Like the inspector said, if you hard-wire it, no separate circuit required.

[previous posting appeared with I was writing this one.]
 
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fmtjfw

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I presume you are not planning to move this thing from one part of the kitchen to another or even to remove it often for cleaning or maintenance? But if you insist on a plug connection --

The instruction sheet suggests:

"A 120 volt, 60 Hz, AC only, 15- or 20-amp, fused electrical circuit is required. A time-delay fuse or circuit breaker is also recommended. It is recommended that a separate circuit serving only this range hood be provided"

In agreement with your inspector.

And 422.16 Flexible Cords. (B)Specific Appliances. (4) Range Hoods.
Range hoods shall be permitted to be cord-and-plug-connected with a flexible cord identified as suitable for use on range hoods in the installation instructions of the appliance manufacturer, where all of the following conditions are met:
....
(5) The receptacle is supplied by an individual branch circuit.

Demands it.

Like the inspector said, if you hard-wire it, no separate circuit required.

[previous posting appeared with I was writing this one.]

In the situation you posit, here is what I would do:

1) remove cord and cord retainer
2) punch a 7/8ths inch hole where the cord used to come in
3) run 14-2 w/G or 12/2 w/G MC or AC cable depending on the OCPD to appliance with proper box clamps
4) hook it up to the terminal strip. The strip appear to be a EURO plastic one which should hold a #12 AWG.

The AC/MC cable would give the conductors better mechanical protection in the cabinet above the vent than the cord would have.
The vent no longer needs a separate circuit.
It appears to me that the inspector was trying to guide you to this solution.
 

wyreman

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Is it listed for hard wire tho? Nameplate shows only cord and plug. I'll have to call ikea or get the manual online


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wyreman

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I told him if I could hardwire it would I have to put a disconnect toggle there and he said that the disconnect wouldn't be required

I found that really puzzling. Even a Hardwired dishwasher needs a disconnect switch if it's not cord plug connected


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GoldDigger

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If you had a lock at the breaker, I think you could avoid the need for a disconnect in sight, even if there are other loads on the circuit.
 

wyreman

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I want to put it, he says I don't have to.
I know I can still put it, but isnt' it required?
 
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