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Canton said:
Exactly….it’s looked at rough in. Otherwise you are removing cover plates and devices on every outlet at Final
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Then by that logic you have to remove covers at final to show your boxes are not recessed back in the wall without extension rings or to large of gap around outlets boxes.

Maybe they have that power to do that.
But if they do and you have to take it off then there is a unlimited amount of extra things they can make you do that is not necessary.
 
AC\DC said:
Then by that logic you have to remove covers at final to show your boxes are not recessed back in the wall without extension rings or to large of gap around outlets boxes.

Maybe they have that power to do that.
But if they do and you have to take it off then there is a unlimited amount of extra things they can make you do that is not necessary.
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Yup that’s right, and with that logic (and authority) the AHJ has the ability to tell the contractor to take off those covers and check all the things you mentioned to ensure code compliance.

Hopefully you are in luck and your inspector will only have enough time to spot check for all those things you call “not necessary”.
 
It’s “not necessary “if you have a good ahj that will spot check your stuff. just like you get those contractor that want to screw the inspector you got the inspector with overzealous power trip that want to screw the contractor.
I don’t have that relation with my ahj we usually agree and come to terms.
But I’ll fight that crap and go over any ahj head that is a %6*%.
He may be my ahj but he has his own ahj!

And once again I did not say the code violations were not unnecessary. The unnecessary part is that he can’t carry a dump screwdriver and lift a finger to do his job.
 
Dude, one of the things I make a high priority is getting along with my Inspectigators.

Once I’ve had one inspection from him, the subsequent ones usually go real quick, with more shooting the bull than inspecting going in.

I actually get a little offended when I don’t get compliments from the inspector. 🤣

All that to say, there is a good reason for make up of EGCs at rough, and that’s how I do it anyway.

I always open panels, or set up a ladder, or whatever, for an inspection.

And for what it’s worth, If an Inspectigator ever told me not to be on site for an inspection, I’d laugh in his face.
 
Like others have mentioned I prefer to make up as much as possible during the rough to quicken the trim.
I'm with the inspector on this one. If you're going to do anything correct make sure it's the grounds.
I don't think that they don't care if you mess up a three-way switch.
 
Re reading the section. no we’re does it state I can’t use one of the the many egc that are tied together as the egc of the device. Such as it does not get disconnect from the tied together egc.
Like I stated before if you tie them all together and leave 6” ( I should state my 6” is out of the box after all egc conductors are tucked in the back of box so you really have about 8-9 inches to work with) out of the box you can just loop one of them around the device screw and be compliant cause you never disconnect from the bundle of egc.

It only states one must be long enough to get to any device if there all long enough then your good.
Then if you have that you don’t need a pigtail and it’s up to me if I want to just wrap or install a pigtail.

Hence the other option I stated have all egc in a wago with one extra slot or however many you need for each device. Then you don’t need a pigtail also because the last one can tie to the devices and never disrupt the bundle.
Just cause you all do it one way does not mean it’s right.

I fixed the issue so I not on that rant anymore. Now I am on one that you don’t need a pig tail and I was compliant from the start. Cause I am one of those morons that leave a lot of wire in the box.


I am making a fuss because I have pre-made devices up and it’s faster and cheaper for me to use wagos and just click and plug.
I can make the devices up while watching tv now I can’t!!!!!
 
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AC\DC said:
Re reading the section. no we’re does it state I can’t use one of the the many egc that are tied together as the egc of the device. Such as it does not get disconnect from the tied together egc.
Like I stated before if you tie them all together and leave 6” ( I should state my 6” is out of the box after all egc conductors are tucked in the back of box so you really have about 8-9 inches to work with) out of the box you can just loop one of them around the device screw and be compliant cause you never disconnect from the bundle of egc.

It only states one must be long enough to get to any device if there all long enough then your good.
Then if you have that you don’t need a pigtail and it’s up to me if I want to just wrap or install a pigtail.

Hence the other option I stated have all egc in a wago with one extra slot or however many you need for each device. Then you don’t need a pigtail also because the last one can tie to the devices and never disrupt the bundle.
Just cause you all do it one way does not mean it’s right.

I fixed the issue so I not on that rant anymore. Now I am on one that you don’t need a pig tail and I was compliant from the start. Cause I am one of those morons that leave a lot of wire in the box.


I am making a fuss because I have pre-made devices up and it’s faster and cheaper for me to use wagos and just click and plug.
I can make the devices up while watching tv now I can’t!!!!!
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If you have all your EGCs tied together, with one being left long, that is a "pigtail". I don't understand what you're saying the inspector wants if you have done them all this way.

That's the way I do the grounding, I use a Buchanon crimp or a "greenie" leaving a long tail for the connnection to the device(s). And for what's it's worth, the State or local AHJ makes the rules for what's required on rough-in inspections. We have to have all grounds made up except for the panel.
 
AC\DC said:
I got dinged for not having pig tails on my made up ground. I see no were in code does it says I can't install pigtails after rough in and do it on finish work. He refused on rough in.
I have all my receptacles pre-made with pig tails. So this is dumb Their plastic boxes.

Plus if I left 6 inches out of the box technically I could wrap one of multiple egc wire to my devices.
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the inspector just wants the e g conductors connected. can you just wirenut togther?
 
Little Bill said:
If you have all your EGCs tied together, with one being left long, that is a "pigtail". I don't understand what you're saying the inspector wants if you have done them all this way..
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He prefers to leave out the pigtail during rough-in, attach it to the receptacle while watching TV, and add it to the EGCs during trim-out.

Like if pig-tailing all of the receptacle wires: attach pigtails to the devices at home, and add them to the wirenuts or Wagos in the boxes.
 
I also do as much as I can during rough-in, including making up and pig-tailing for the EGCs, and even strip and hook all of the wires.

I theoretically shouldn't need to carry my pliers during trim-out. Keeps the fresh paint cleaner, too, not having to strip and hook wires.
 
Well had a different inspector come out for correction.
I talked to him about my situation, told me he see no problem with adding pigtail when trimming out!!
As long as egc are connected on rough and mine were.
What a pain lol.
 
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