3 Phase Panel Calculation

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Biogas Sparky

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Hi everyone.

I have been working on this calculation for a few days and am curious if it have it correct, so any help would be greatly appreciated.

We have a system that we are designing/ building for biogas clean up. This system is mostly motors that come as pre-assembled systems. For example, one system has a 200hp, 10hp, 7.5hp, and 1/2hp 3phase 480 volt motors, the manufacture supplies the control enclosure for all these with the 200hp VFD controlled. All the motors for the whole system are continuous and run simultaneously.

Here is the calc chart that I put together for this. I hope this makes sense. I multiplied the largest motor by 1.25 in the VA column and then the total VA by 1.25 as it is all continuous load that I know of currently (I will adjust if anything is not continuous)

Thanks in advance for the help.


Main Equipment Equipment LoadsHPFLA Volts Multiplierva
Intake Blower Skid
Blower 20274801.73222446.72
AA23.44801.7322826.624
Feed Gas Compressor 1 4800
Screw Compressor 2002404801.732*1.25 for largest motor249408
Gas Cooler 10144801.73211639.04
Oil Cooler 7.5114801.7329144.96
Condensate Pump 1/21.14801.732914.496
Product Gas Compressor 4800
Compressor 50654801.73254038.4
Cooler 57.64801.7326318.336
Pre lube 1.84801.7321496.448
Oil Heater 1.84801.7321496.448
Chiller 4800
Potential 504801.73241568
Transformer 1 25 kva 52480124960
DCP1 1200
Heat Trace 1200
UPS/ Network 1200
Exterior Lights 1200
Gen Recp (1)1200
0
0
0
O2 Container 0
Compressor 25344801.73228266.24
Transformer 10kva2048019600
Totals FLA585.1464123.712
Total VA/ 831558.5122888
Total FLA *1.25 for continuous load731 ampsTotal VA/831*1.25 for continuous load698 amps
 

PD1972

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Couple of notes:
  1. Get rid of your total FLA calculations as it is unnecessary. Many times, the number a "total FLA" calculation yields is wrong unless all your loads are the same voltage and phase. The important column is the total VA which you have.
  2. I notice that your VA for transformers is strangely close to the rating of the transformer. This leads me to believe you do not know the actual total connected load of each of those transformers. Are those transformers single phase or three phase? I have a feeling transformer 1 is a 480V delta to 208Y/120V transformer, which is a three phase load (so you need to fix the FLAs). If it's 480V to 120/240V single phase then there is nothing wrong. This isn't a huge issue as the VA is the same, but I can't help but comment as there is potential for your FLA to be incorrect.
  3. You do not have to double dip on the 125% continuous factor for motor loads. The 125% of your largest motor load then everything else at 100% is sufficient per 430.24, which separates motor loads from non-continuous non-motor loads and continuous non-motor loads. Refer to how example D3(a) in annex D handles motor loads in a calculation.
  4. It appears that motors make up a majority of the loads. Make sure that your panelboard upstream OCPD (ie, your motor feeder short circuit and ground-fault protection) meets the requirements of 430.63(3).
 

Biogas Sparky

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Thank you kindly. This is incredibly helpful.

For note 2. These are single phase transformers that I did not do a complete load calculation on yet as we are still defining some of the components.

I have gone through the sheet and updated per the continuous/ non-continuous loads as you described above.

From what I understand on 430.63(3) I just need to make sure that the main CB OCPD for this panel needs to be larger than the largest branch circuit breaker (that being the feed gas compressor)

Main Equipment Equipment LoadsHPFLA Volts MultiplierVAPhase APhase BPhase C
Intake Blower Skid
Blower 20274801.73222446.727482.247482.247482.24
AA23.44801.7322826.624942.208942.208942.208
Feed Gas Compressor 1 480
Screw Compressor 2002404801.732249408831368313683136
Gas Cooler 10144801.73211639.043879.683879.683879.68
Oil Cooler 7.5114801.7329144.963048.323048.323048.32
Condensate Pump 1/21.14801.732914.496304.832304.832304.832
Product Gas Compressor 480
Compressor 50654801.73254038.418012.818012.818012.8
Cooler 57.64801.7326318.3362106.1122106.1122106.112
Pre lube 1.84801.7321496.448498.816498.816498.816
Oil Heater 1.84801.7321496.448498.816498.816498.816
Chiller 480
Potential 604801.73249881.616627.216627.216627.2
Transformer 1 25 kva524802496083208320
O2 Container 120
Compressor 25344801.73228266.249422.089422.089422.08
Transformer 7.5kva15.625480750025002500
Interment Air
Compressor 7.5114801.7329144.963048.323048.323048.32
Total Non-continuous VA 437877.312145959.104145959.104145959.104
Total Continuous VA *1.254057531251040013525
Total VA/ 831575.7548881179.4032539188.1577665191.918296
Main Breaker 600a
 

SSDriver

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The manufacturer of the enclosure might have done most of this for you ifs its a single enclosure. A ul508 enclosure should have calculated the entire load that is being controlled by the enclosure and accounted for the largest motor.
 
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