3 phase to single phase

[iwire]

They may not support it but it is not that complicated for any electrician that is used to hooking up or troubleshooting controls. Those that don't do much but bend pipe, pull conductors and connect simple devices and fixtures maybe have a harder time with it.

I really do not understand what you are trying to convince me of.

You see it your way I see it mine.

For me, while on the clock for my employer I am not going to try to rewire a listed appliance without a factory diagram. This has nothing to do with my own abilities and everything to do with code compliance and liability.

For my own personal use, yeah I might 'wing it' but not when I am being paid.

If the OP wants to wing it that is certainly their choice, I am simply pointing iut the potential code ramifications of doing so.

 

[kwired]

For me, while on the clock for my employer I am not going to try to rewire a listed appliance without a factory diagram. This has nothing to do with my own abilities and everything to do with code compliance and liability..

That may be biggest cause for difference in opinion right there - you work for someone else.

I find myself making things work quite often, and maybe am taking on some liability when I do so, but I am the one making such decisions of what I may put together and what risk I am willing to take - you on the other hand unless it is outright considered gross negligence are putting your employer's liability on the line if you do such things more so then yourself - and though the initial liability doesn't come down on you, you maybe can lose your job over something like that as well.

I am always modifying irrigation machines, grain storage/handling equipment, and if I don't someone else will, and it is usually the equipment dealers that maybe have factory modification parts for the brand they sell - but they have no problem cobbling them into other equipment either and in ways that make you just step back and shake your head at how they did it.

Much of the equipment I am talking about isn't listed in the first place - the irrigation control panels (newer ones anyway) usually are, but there is a lot of grain handling equipment around these parts that is not, and you won't sell anything that is in a market where all those other items are being sold. Agriculture related installations are exempt from electrical inspections - so far in this state, and that doesn't help the situation either, but there has been talk of some change in this area - but nothing has happened yet.

 

[topgone]

@iwire has a valid point there, imo. Revising listed equipment voids any warranty the OEM might have on them. Things will be okay until bad things happen. The equipment manufacturer is freed from liabilities and there's nobody but the electrician who could face damage claims from clients. Methinks it's not a good thing, but it's just me. Other's might have other ideas.

 

[kwired]

@iwire has a valid point there, imo. Revising listed equipment voids any warranty the OEM might have on them. Things will be okay until bad things happen. The equipment manufacturer is freed from liabilities and there's nobody but the electrician who could face damage claims from clients. Methinks it's not a good thing, but it's just me. Other's might have other ideas.

Understandable with new equipment still under warranty, but then why not order the model set up for correct voltage/number of phases in the first place if it is new?

Many people buy used equipment that has no warranty, only to find out that it will not work as is at their premises, that is when you have decisions like this to make.

Sending it to the manufacturer to convert it is sending business away, plus if I can make it work for $500 and manufacturer wants $1200 plus shipping there and back to make it work who do you think gets to do it in most cases? I'm likely there running the main supply circuit anyway.

Of course if you are good salesperson (for your benefit) you take over responsibility of sending it to the manufacturer and then add your markup to what they charge I guess, but that doesn't go over well in smaller communities like where I live - people figure that out and think you ripped them off and then spread the word around and you get a bad name. They called you because you are supposed to be the electrical expert, not because you are a pimp. - Hey, that describes General Contractors.