Re: 3 ways
Originally posted by roger:
Just a different perspective on the immigrant stance.
Rick, let's say on the day you immigrated to FL from the North a (legal) Spanish speaking person from the South did too, who has more of a right to be there?
Now, let's say he is a graduate of This Tech School and is a master in the knowledge of the trade, would you or Jim work for him?
Not trying to start anything with the questions, just asking.
Roger
firstly what i want everyone to realize is that i did not intend to turn this into an anti spanish speaking campaign. living in south florida i have a great deal of respect for spanish speaking people and many of them are my friend. my reference to our mexican crew was meant to be an icon. it was just one experience that i had that others across the country in this profession have daily. i am not talking specifically about a language barrier, i'm talking about ignorance. ignorance to think you can float through it all because its a job. ignorance to think that you know everything. ignorance to think you can do as you please. ignorance to be ignorant.
ignorance is consuming almost everything in the world today and our trade is not exempt. that is where my problem lay.
if me and a spanish speaking person immigrated to florida at the same time and applied for the same job i would expect the most qualified for the position applied for to get the job. by most qualified i am not talking only about the technical aspects of the job. there are many more angles to being a productive employee then simply doing the task at hand. you are a direct representation of your company, of your trade, of yourself. your social manifestation is as much important to your everyday job duties as your technical knowledge.
the link you provided is a prime example of someones ability to rise above ignorance. i would be more then happy to work with anyone who went through that program simply because they are trying. in fact i would be willing to meet them in the middle and learn spanish so i can better help them. just the simple effort on thier part even null of thier actual abilities shows me someone who legitimatly wants to be doing what they are doing.
my problem is with the people who do not put forth the effort, and i am not only talking about language now. the plain truth is nobody can help you unless you want help. white guys who cant wire 3 ways, or hispanics who cant wire them it doesnt matter. its the people white, hispanic, black, indian etc.. who treat this as an 8-3:30 job and cant wait for lunch and then cant wait for the day to be over that i do not want around me and i do not want to help. how can i work with them, for them, or over them if they do not mutually wish the same?
i know this is going to be a hell of a bad example but look at rap music. why can someone play sweet home alabama 20 years after it was made and people say nothing about it. and in the same repect someone plays a rap song from 2 years ago and its old news and people look like what the hell are you playing that for? because rock music has traditionally been treated as an art while rap music is marketed as a product.
as bizarre as it sounds in my period of time in this trade which is eclipsed by many of our other members i see the same thing, only a transition. what once was considered an art in respect is now being formed into a product. with that transition your finding an inrush of the ignorant.
a good quote that makes me put the whole thing retrospect
"thier once was a dream that was rome"
sounds corny as hell but its how i feel.
as a side note i chose this profession in my junior year of college for organic chemistry. i love what i do and no matter how bad it may become i will continue to do it and defend it.
