3500 sq ft home

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bth0mas20

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I know its hard to come up with a close number from just this info but I need to get a bid in quick becaue the homeowner is moving fast and just called me to look at it as a 3 estimate. The number I came up with was almost $30K

am I in the right range or does it sound high....It sounds high to me but I used a fixed price per device or light and came up with this price. and figure about 160 manhours.
This house is larger and has more options that other houses that I have wired so any help would be great.


about 3200 finished living sq ft. and the rest is unfinished basement.
8 window candles (Kit costs about $450), 100 outlets, 5 outside outlets, 1 floor plug, 56 single pole switches, 24 3way switches, 6 bath fan lights, 6 smokes, 1 co2 det, 2 fireplaces, 24 6"rec lights, 2 tub rec lights, 4 slope recessed lights, 2 4" rec lights, 2 garage door outlets, 14 additional lights (closet, vanity lites), 4 exterior lights at garage doors, 10 ceiling fans. 4 flood lights, door chime, washer, dryer,
Circuits for:
Dishwasher, refig, heat and ac (heat pump with gas backup), Wine cooler in kitchen, 2 deadicated circuits for low voltage audio equipment, garbage disp, Range hood, Microwave, gas range, wall oven (electric), well pump.



Per 2008 code, in Southern Maryland.
 
what about the A/c units? The Service OH or UG? Spa in the M bath? Only 1 co2 What about the basement? Temp service? Good luck I just signed on 2700 with alot of custom stuff remodel for 42k if that helps
 
g@friendly said:
what about the A/c units? The Service OH or UG? Spa in the M bath? Only 1 co2 What about the basement? Temp service? Good luck I just signed on 2700 with alot of custom stuff remodel for 42k if that helps
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underground service, yes spa in master bath 120v, ok we can add one more co2 for the basement, and no temp service.

since yours is a remodel it sounds like it should be a higher number naturally because of difficulty.
 
bth0mas20 said:
about 3200 finished living sq ft. and the rest is unfinished basement.
8 window candles (Kit costs about $450),
100 outlets,
5 outside outlets,
1 floor plug,
56 single pole switches,
24 3way switches,
6 bath fan lights,
6 smokes, 1 co2 det,
2 fireplaces,
24 6"rec lights,
2 tub rec lights,
4 slope recessed lights,
2 4" rec lights,
2 garage door outlets,
14 additional lights (closet, vanity lites),
4 exterior lights at garage doors,
10 ceiling fans.
4 flood lights,
door chime,
washer, dryer,

Circuits for:
Dishwasher, refig, heat and ac (heat pump with gas backup), Wine cooler in kitchen, 2 deadicated circuits for low voltage audio equipment, garbage disp, Range hood, Microwave, gas range, wall oven (electric), well pump.
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Items in red not included [What is a "fireplace"???, etc]
No service, cable/sat, internet, LV, etc included.

I came up with:
262.66 manhours
$32,415.76
[$10.13/sq.ft]

[EDIT]
While we adding things...
How many bathrooms? Circuits?
SABC?...2 or more?
 
celtic said:
Items in red not included [What is a "fireplace"???, etc]
No service, cable/sat, internet, LV, etc included.

I came up with:
262.66 manhours
$32,415.76
[$10.13/sq.ft]

[EDIT]
While we adding things...
How many bathrooms? Circuits?
SABC?...2 or more?
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Fireplace is just a circuit for igniter (gas) and both can be on one circuit.
All LV is being subbed out by HO because their a family friend i guess.
They have a LV licence that in Maryland holds good for LV work.
3 bathrooms. one upstairs thats like 2 small bathrooms with one shower. so they only get a vanity light, closet light and gfi plug.
The one master bath gets a shower light, tub rec lite, fan/ light, tv outlet, closet light, 2 vanity lights, 2 gfi outlets.

What is a SABC?
 
Celtic that was fast.
how about Arch fault?
don't forget the spa you have to install a single outlet under it and a faceless or a gfci breaker. Also some spa have heater in them now!
Door chime how many buttons and brick wood etc..
Tube Light??
fireplaces do the blower have speed controllers?
How about attic fan?
Are the recess light Airtight in uncondition air space above?
 
i would do that job for about half as much here in SC. now that dosnt include furnishing any fixtures. about $17,000, if I had to buy all those cans, smokes, co2, ect...maybe $20k
 
Your nuts My friend has a contracting business in your SC and it is a lot more than you.
Why are you letting the GC make all the money. Buddy do the math celtic is right on the hours. You are better of working for someone else. It make me sad that guys like this don't realize there worth (I am sure he dose good work). You have some big companies in your area like Mister Sparky and A bunch of Nextstar and Esi companies. See who you competition is. I am always looking. I have said a hundred time learn you business NOW! You already have electrical skill, you just lack business skill. Not your fault. take class. Get number cruncher from NSPG! Help you find out your bottom line. Ask yourself this... How many time do your guys go home with more than you? Don't answer that on the form. Answer it in the mirror. Goodluck
 
g@friendly said:
Celtic that was fast.
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I have mad skills :grin:

.....and a little help from a nut job from California :cool: [where is that guy anyway?]


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g@friendly said:
Buddy do the math celtic is right on the hours.
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I oughta go into the estimating business!

5% for the estimate dollar value...
An additional 5% if you are awarded the job:smile:

I just made $3k in 3 minutes!
 
we have had this conversation b4, at my price I wouldnt get the job. housing is dead here, there are a dozen EC's waiting in line just to wire a house like that for $12-15k. thats why I left resi and went into commercial.
 
Ok you are right the housing market is off, But the house is still selling for a 100k more than 6yrs ago and material and everything is way up so why are you doing the job for prices from 10 yrs ago? It is cheaper to let the van set than roll the van and lose money... You have to pay the supply house.
 
bth0mas20 said:
about 3200 finished living sq ft. and the rest is unfinished basement.
8 window candles (Kit costs about $450), 100 outlets, 5 outside outlets, 1 floor plug, 56 single pole switches, 24 3way switches, 6 bath fan lights, 6 smokes, 1 co2 det, 2 fireplaces, 24 6"rec lights, 2 tub rec lights, 4 slope recessed lights, 2 4" rec lights, 2 garage door outlets, 14 additional lights (closet, vanity lites), 4 exterior lights at garage doors, 10 ceiling fans. 4 flood lights, door chime, washer, dryer,
Circuits for:
Dishwasher, refig, heat and ac (heat pump with gas backup), Wine cooler in kitchen, 2 deadicated circuits for low voltage audio equipment, garbage disp, Range hood, Microwave, gas range, wall oven (electric), well pump.
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Who is going to provide window candles, bath fan lights, vanity light,ceiling fans ? If you are going to provide these items do you have specs.?

On that well pump will there be a lot of trenching?

I didn't see a candelier for dining room or foyer? I don't see any under cabinet lights ?

Don't see any phone, cable or security wiring?

Are you useing regular snap switches and receptacles or going with Deco for at least the switches? Any dimmers? Fan speed controlls?

Make sure to list who is to purchase every item and ask questions about anything not on the prints.
 
growler said:
Who is going to provide window candles, bath fan lights, vanity light,ceiling fans ? If you are going to provide these items do you have specs.?

On that well pump will there be a lot of trenching?

I didn't see a candelier for dining room or foyer? I don't see any under cabinet lights ?

Don't see any phone, cable or security wiring?

Are you useing regular snap switches and receptacles or going with Deco for at least the switches? Any dimmers? Fan speed controlls?

Make sure to list who is to purchase every item and ask questions about anything not on the prints.
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I will provide candles. 400 to 500 material.
all fans, vanity lites, chandalear, will be provided. I only buy recessed lights.
Not much trenching for well. I have a walk behind so no prob their. no under cabinet lights. All phone cable, security any low voltage will be done by another contractor of the home owners choice. I will be using regular snap switches. only one dimmer and no fan speed controlls. I will also provide co2 and smoke detectors.
 
scwirenut said:
housing is dead here, there are a dozen EC's waiting in line just to wire a house like that for $12-15k.
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Yeah and they will also be waiting the Free Government cheese line after they wire it.
 
bth0mas20 said:
Not much trenching for well. I have a walk behind so no prob their.
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Do you charge a rental fee for the trencher? I would charge what the rental place would have charged. If I had to rent it I would charge that plus a markup. I'd say a drop fee on the trencher from your shop to the job plus a per hour or day cost built into the price.
 
MF Dagger said:
Do you charge a rental fee for the trencher? I would charge what the rental place would have charged. If I had to rent it I would charge that plus a markup. I'd say a drop fee on the trencher from your shop to the job plus a per hour or day cost built into the price.
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That sounds reasonable. Yes I do.
 
scwirenut said:
we have had this conversation b4, at my price I wouldnt get the job. housing is dead here, there are a dozen EC's waiting in line just to wire a house like that for $12-15k. thats why I left resi and went into commercial.
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I would come in at 22K. There are regional difference in price and I am sure some one here would do it for 12-15K but not I.
 
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