408.4(A) Circuit Directory or Circuit Identification

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408.4(A) Circuit Directory or Circuit Identification. Every circuit and circuit modification shall be legibly identified as to its clear, evident, and specific purpose or use. The identification shall include an approved degree of detail that allows each circuit to be distinguished from all others.

Spare positions that contain unused overcurrent devices or switches shall be described accordingly. The identification shall be included in a circuit directory that is located on the face or inside of the panel door in the case of a panelboard and at each switch or circuit breaker in a switchboard or switchgear.
No circuit shall be described in a manner that depends on transient conditions of occupancy.
My question is that since NEC has no control over what the rooms in a structure are used for, how can they make the determination of what is a transient description and what is not. In my opinion, all descriptions are based on transient conditions of occupancy. I, fully, understand the reasons for this this rule but NEC has left out one important step that could make this rule work for safety and convenience.

When a contractor hires me to wire a new house or structure, they tell me what each room is to be used for. When I am labeling the breakers in the panelboard, I do so with such descriptions as Master Bedroom Rec, Bedroom Lights, Guest Bedroom Lights, Kitchen GFCI, Game Room Lights, etc. All of these descriptions have always passed inspection yet all of them depend on occupancy. In many cases, as soon as the owner of the structure begins to move into the structure, they decide to use these rooms for different purposes. The same thing may happen down the road when a new occupant moves into the structure. For instance, the guest bedroom becomes a sewing room or they decide to use one of the bedrooms as the game room and the game room as a bedroom or the den as a dining room and there is nothing that requires the structure owner who made these modifications to reflect any of the modifications on the panel board breaker descriptions so now NEC’s half thought out rule renders all of the breaker descriptions useless.

If NEC had thought this out prior to writing this rule, they would have required a simple block diagram of the structure layout with each of the rooms being labeled with a number or letter or color, in the place of the panel directory, and used the identifications on the layout to label the breakers, (for instance Room A receptacles) this would have been a permanent description not based on occupancy.
 
If NEC had thought this out prior to writing this rule, they would have required a simple block diagram of the structure layout with each of the rooms being labeled with a number or letter or color, in the place of the panel directory, and used the identifications on the layout to label the breakers, (for instance Room A receptacles) this would have been a permanent description not based on occupancy
No one is going to want to make up a block diagram for a panel. A complete floor plan showing all of the electrical devices and circuit numbers would be better yet but no one will want to do that either.

In a dwelling it's not that difficult to differentiate when for example a bedroom has been repurposed as another room. In my home we have converted one of the bedrooms into a dressing room for my wife. If we were to sell the house the listing would still call it a bedroom as it is obvious that when the house was built that it was a bedroom. For a multi-bedroom house naming the bedrooms according to your kids names (which is prohibited) does little good when the home is sold. I just use the compass orientation to describe which bedroom is which.

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If NEC had thought this out prior to writing this rule, they would have required a simple block diagram of the structure layout with each of the rooms being labeled with a number or letter or color, in the place of the panel directory, and used the identifications on the layout to label the breakers, (for instance Room A receptacles) this would have been a permanent description not based on occupancy.
You do understand, that in general the code users and not the NFPA or the Code Making Panels write the NEC. The process to submit Public Inputs to make changes for the 2029 code should open soon, and I am looking forward to reading your public input to correct this code rule.
 
Remember the NEC covers more than just residences.I have been in many commercial buildings with panels labled based on whose office it was when the last electrician was there.

The best one was a factory that a feed to a sub panel called Joe's office. Nobody knew who Joe was.

Second best is the factory that kept buying larger air compressors. There were three different panels with a branch labeled New Air Compressor.
 
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The NEC section you quote uses broad language. It's up to the local AHJ to interpret how much specification is enough specification. A local AHJ would be within the language of the requirement (imo) to require a map like you're suggesting. But for residential everyone would absolutely hate them.

While I spend a lot of time identifying circuits (for battery backup) and certainly hate it when my predecessors on the site have done poor labeling, I would spend a lot more time if I had to make maps for every site we update.

darekelec's response is a good example of how applying common sense helps. NW Bedroom is by itself clearer than Bedroom 2. It's really nice when the homeowner has gone to the length of making or keeping careful notes or plans, but that's not more than 1% of homeowners.
 
No one is going to want to make up a block diagram for a panel. A complete floor plan showing all of the electrical devices and circuit numbers would be better yet but no one will want to do that either.

In a dwelling it's not that difficult to differentiate when for example a bedroom has been repurposed as another room. In my home we have converted one of the bedrooms into a dressing room for my wife. If we were to sell the house the listing would still call it a bedroom as it is obvious that when the house was built that it was a bedroom. For a multi-bedroom house naming the bedrooms according to your kids names (which is prohibited) does little good when the home is sold. I just use the compass orientation to describe which bedroom is which.

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It takes about 5 mins to draw a simple block diagram 10 mins for multiple levels. It doesnt have to be to scale and you are not drawing in the circuits to each area. All you are drawing is a simple block diagram with each room having a generic name such as Area A or Room B or Block 5. After that, it matters not what the occupants call the rooms. Every room in the structure can change purposes multiple times and the names on the breakers and in the block diagram remain the same. (Breaker identifiers would be such as Area A Rec, Area A Lights, Area A Smoke detector, Area B Stove, etc) This works in both residential and commercial. It would even work if the residence is repurposed into a business or vice versa so long as the original floor plan has not been altered.

If I receive a service call and the lady says the outlet in her son's game room is not working and she won't be able to be at home when I arrive and gives me directions to her house and I drive 15 miles on a winding road through the east TN mountains to her house in the woods, I am not going to have any idea which direction is north, south, east or west. When I walk down a hall with 2 offices and a game room and locate the issue and go to the breaker panel and find breakers labeled with Bedroom NW, Bedroom SE, Bedroom E and nothing labeled as an office or game room, I am going to have one of those WTH moments.

If a repairman, serviceman or emergency personnel comes to the structure, they do not need to carry a compass or know what the room's purpose is or know what the occupant calls it or what the room's purpose was when the panel was labeled. All they need to know is where the room is located in the structure. With that information, they can locate the room on the block diagram and see that room is Area A. Now they can locate the breaker labeled as Area A recepticals or Area A Lights or whatever particular feed they are looking for in Area A.

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Receptacles in East bedroom, North and south wall. Kitchen, dining room, receptacles. Outdoor receptacle north wall etc.

You have to type up a separate sheet imho the panel doesn't give you enough space

Then I mark the panel circuit 1, circuit 2 etc.

And on the sheet
Circuit 1 Microwave
Circuit 2 AC condenser first floor
Circuit 3 North bedroom west wall receptacles & west bedroom south wall receptacles.
 
Remember the NEC covers more than just residences.I have been in many commercial buildings with panels labled based on whose office it was when the last electrician was there.

The best one was a factory that a feed to a sub panel called Joe's office. Nobody knew who Joe was.

Second best is the factory that kept buying larger air compressors. There were three different panels with a branch labeled New Air Compressor.
This works in all installations and would have eliminated both of the scenerios that you mentioned. A room is never given a particular name other than the one used on the floor plan block diagram. So long as the original floor plan is not altered, the generic room names such as Area 1 or Block 1 or Room 1 will remain the same for the life of the structure regardless of what the room is used for. You locate the issue in the room labeled on the floor plan as "Block 1" You go to the breaker panel and locate the breaker that feeds that issue which may be labeled as "Block 1 Recepticals" or "Block 1 Air Comp #2". Ten years down the road, it won't matter if the occupants repurpose that room from a compressor room to the office break room, it will still be labeled as Block 1 on the diagram and all of the breakers feeding "Block 1" will still be labeled as Block 1 with their particular purpose. If you wish to add a circuit to Block 1, you simply label the breaker feeding the new circuit as Block 1 and the circuits purpose.

In industrial applications where walls are often removed or added, you simply draw in a new wall on the diagram and label the room to something like Block 1/A and all of the breakers feeding that room will carry the name of the new block + its purpose.
 
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