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That's how my company saves so much money.

That's how my company saves so much money.

LarryFine said:
You should have said:

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It's no wonder why you have so much money!:grin: :D
 
stickboy1375 said:
I'm doing a house with closet lights already roughed in for a fluorescent light strip above the door, the problem is that the carpenters installed shelving all the way to the top of the closet, and the shelving is 18" to 20" deep, but its adjustable, so, the question is, can I (A) fix the top shelve to meet the required spacing, or (B) make the top shelf a 12" shelf and still fix it and still meet my spacing requirement.
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What's the total depth of the closet ?

If they set the shelf at 20" depth and the body of the fluorescent is 2 or 3" thick, then a 28" deep closet is right on the edge of having 6' clearance.

Light or no light, if it's a 24" deep closet, I don't see why they'd want a 20" shelf. . You only have a 4" slot to squeeze your stuff up past the shelf.

David
 
Last week, I saw a cool light at one of my suppliers. It's a compact fluorescent of sorts. The bottom side looks like the typical plastic keyless lampholder, but the topside is an enclosed fluorescent tube. I'll see if I can get more info.
 
Couple questions:

What's the distance from closest point of luminaire to the edge of shelf? Gotta have 6 inches.

Is there a pole in this closet? If not then 410.8 does not apply.

Remember 410.8 only applies to "clothes" closets. So a linen closet with shelves from floor to ceiling is not covered.
 
sandsnow said:
Remember 410.8 only applies to "clothes" closets. So a linen closet with shelves from floor to ceiling is not covered.
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I agree on the prescriptive end, but linen and clothes clothes and linen. what is enforceable and whats not. Linen is not "Clothes" ? Makes good sense..hmmm?
 
iwire said:
Get them these.

Closet Light
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I bought four of these the other day for just this very reason. I put the batteries in the first one and withing 2 minutes I couldn't touch the fixture it was so hot. flipped it over to pull out the batteries and they were both bulged. Did the same thing in three of the lights. I simply returned them and didn't even exchange them.

Pieces of (cuss word inserted here).:grin:
 
cowboyjwc said:
I put the batteries in the first one and withing 2 minutes I couldn't touch the fixture it was so hot. flipped it over to pull out the batteries and they were both bulged. Did the same thing in three of the lights.
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You must have bought the portable cooking version. :)
 
dcspector said:
I agree on the prescriptive end, but linen and clothes clothes and linen. what is enforceable and whats not. Linen is not "Clothes" ? Makes good sense..hmmm?
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If it doesn't have a "clothes-hanging rod" then it's not a clothes closet. Or if your Bldg Official says it's a Utility Room.
 
sandsnow said:
If it doesn't have a "clothes-hanging rod" then it's not a clothes closet. Or if your Bldg Official says it's a Utility Room.
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Where did you find this definition? I agree if the closet has a rod then it is a clothes closet but where does it say that a clothes closet must have a rod?
 
It doesn't, his opinion, IMO is incorrect, a clothes closet is a clothes closet with or without a rod... Otherwise you could install a panel in a closet as long as no rod was installed :)
 
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stickboy1375 said:
It doesn't, his opinion, IMO is incorrect, a clothes closet is a clothes closet with or without a rod... Otherwise you could install a panel in a closet as long as no rod was installed :)
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Where does it say that you can't put a panel in a closet?
 
cowboyjwc said:
Where does it say that you can't put a panel in a closet?
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I figured we have ALL been around long enough to know its OCP, and most panels contain OCP devices... :roll:

was referring to 240.24 (D) and even though it is worded as "such as" i dont think I could find a inspector to give a go ahead and install a panel with OCD in a clothes closet.
 
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Dennis Alwon said:
Where did you find this definition? I agree if the closet has a rod then it is a clothes closet but where does it say that a clothes closet must have a rod?
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At some point you just have to draw the line and get on with it.

It would be nice if there was a definition.

If my kids room has clothes piled all over, is that a clothes closet? (storing clothes)

Is the laundry room with clothes piled in baskets a clothes closet?

Phrases or temrs that are not defined use Websters something or other edition . If it's not in there (I haven't looked) then you are left with common usage. That could vary state to state.
 
I don't think a definition is required, you don't know that the owner will use it to that definition anyways, so why not wire the closet as if it were a clothes closet in case they do use it as one?
 
sandsnow said:
At some point you just have to draw the line and get on with it.
It would be nice if there was a definition.
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Your comment
If it doesn't have a "clothes-hanging rod" then it's not a clothes closet.
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leads one to believe that this is code. I just want to make sure that others here understand that this is your interpretation as an inspector. Not all inspectors will agree with that interpretation and the NEC does not support it.

If you had a bedroom with a closet in it but no closet rod you would allow a light fixture in it without regards to 410.8???
 
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