80% rule residential?

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Which is part of the reason that energy codes do not accept CFL or LED Edison base screw-ins, instead requiring special sockets.
Which works to your advantage in sizing the circuit.

GU24s come to mind. Unfortunately, you can get a GU24 to an E26/E27 Edison socket and visa versa off E-bay. In theory even a GU24 isn't safe. But in theory youd be violating the listing.




I don't make that assumption for all commecial or residential lighting.


So there are times when residential may be continuous? The part that confuses me are those who say resi is never to be counted continuous and commercial is to be counted as needing the 80% rule.
 
Obviously the NEC doesn't declare residential lighting loads to be continuous but I think it would indicate neglect on the part of the electrician installing any lighting load over 80% of the circuit's capacity to consider it a non-continuous load, especially since lighting loads are one of the few loads we connect that don't cycle in any way.

My own approach would be to consider the job at hand and not just do something out of habit.

In the OPs case, with everything on one switch and being a basement game room I would likely call it a continuous load.

If you take that tack, where do you stop? Do you install 1800 watts of lighting in various rooms on one 15A circuit and claim that the fact that they're different rooms means that they'll never all be on at the same time?.

Yes, I very well might do that depending on the rooms or the switching.

Consider an office lighting circuit that runs a number of offices, copy rooms, closets etc. With all the energy code required occupancy sensors the circuit would not meet the NEC definition of continuous load.

Continuous Load. A load where the maximum current is
expected to continue for 3 hours or more

It is short but presents a number of requirements.

  • Longer than three hours
  • Maximum Current
  • Expected


I take the maximum current to mean of the circuit, so if parts of the circuits loads are shut off we have less than maximum current.

Expected, well that tells me it's OK if it happens once in a while but is not the normal mode of operation.


Would I rather leave some headroom in the circuit? Of course, but on the other hand if I was in a jam, or trying to add to an existing circuit I would use my knowledge of the code to my advantage.:)


Ideally my 20 amp lighting circuits are designed at about 10 to 12 amps leaving a bit of room for expansion/changes and possible continuous loading.

BTW, any idea how many 13 watt CFL fixtures you can run on a 277 volt circuit?

A ton, I used two circuits just so one circuit would not put out an entire floors lighting. :)
 
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So there are times when residential may be continuous? The part that confuses me are those who say resi is never to be counted continuous and commercial is to be counted as needing the 80% rule.
Yes... but likely not all.

Those that tell you that are playing the odds... and they'd be wrong occasionally.
 
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I take the maximum current to mean of the circuit, so if parts of the circuits loads are shut off we have less than maximum current.

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Well that's an assumption. I know of no requirement or permission for continuous loads to be based on the total circuit load. Continuous load is based on each individual unit of utilization equipment.
 
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Its a reading of the definition. No more no less.
Where does the definition contain the word circuit?

It says "A load..."

...but I will give you the fact that the NEC refers to both a single piece of utilization equipment and multiples thereof as "a load". So using a literal interpretation, the entire service can be considered non-continuous if it serves so much as only one non-continuous piece of utilization equipment... or better yet, not all continuous loads are powered on at the same time. This would be the other extreme of mine vs. your interpretations.
 
Where does the definition contain the word circuit?

It does not.


It says "A load..."

It sure does, along with maximum. A single load has a single current value.

...but I will give you the fact that the NEC refers to both a single piece of utilization equipment and multiples thereof as "a load". So using a literal interpretation, the entire service can be considered non-continuous if it serves so much as only one non-continuous piece of utilization equipment... or better yet, not all continuous loads are powered on at the same time. This would be the other extreme of mine vs. your interpretations.

And I will give you this.

I don't think the CMP put that much effort into this whole subject as the subject is not really a life safety issue as much as a listing and reliability issue.
 
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I don't think the CMP put that much effort into this whole subject as the subject is not really a life safety issue as much as a listing and reliability issue.
Perhaps not an imminent life safety issue, but it does affect compliance with the requirements for circuit ratings, be they branch, feeder, or supply circuits.
 
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