Above Ground Pool Water Bond Devices

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Above Ground Pool Water Bond Devices

  • Your local electrical supply house started supplying them.

    Votes: 4 40.0%
  • You go to the pool supply company to get them

    Votes: 3 30.0%
  • They are always provided by the pool installer

    Votes: 3 30.0%
  • You required the owner to find and provide them

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    10
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ivsenroute

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Location
Florida
For above ground pools, do you provide the device for the water bond or does the pool installer/manufacturer provide?

Is there a recommended supplier? Many of these devices are on backorder this year and the local electricians are scrambling to find another method such as using a metallic pipe with a clamp.

The most popular this year seems to be a PVC Tee with metal on the inside and the bonding lug on the top Tee connection. I do not know where they are finding them.
 

augie47

Moderator
Staff member
Location
Tennessee
Occupation
State Electrical Inspector (Retired)
If your "aboveground" pool meets the definition of "storable" (max water depth <42") is it required ?
 

Dennis Alwon

Moderator
Staff member
Location
Chapel Hill, NC
Occupation
Retired Electrical Contractor
Many people simply use this

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This is another method called Bondsafe 680

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Dennis Alwon

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Staff member
Location
Chapel Hill, NC
Occupation
Retired Electrical Contractor
Dennis can you show me the 2008 version of that article, I have a bad feeling it is really different from 2005. Are you saying that I will have to bond water? That is crazy!
It is brand new in 2008

680.26(C) Pool Water. An intentional bond of a minimum conductive surface area of 5806 mm2 (9 in.2) shall be installed in contact with the pool water. This bond shall be permitted to consist of parts that are required to be bonded in 680.26(B).
 

shepelec

Senior Member
Location
Palmer, MA
I have been told the bonding is required because of the new salt water pool systems. It makes the water more conductive. Either that or somebody got the law passed so they could sell their product.

8' rod in the middle of the pool and lots of caulking:grin:
 

satcom

Senior Member
Now this crazy idea of grounding water, is actually good, now we can really cook the swimmers, in areas where stray current is high this will just assure a better transfer of the stray current. The idiots are running the nut house.
 

Volta

Senior Member
Location
Columbus, Ohio
OMG. What is the substantiation for this?

I have no written substantiation, but I'm imagining something like:

1. Reducing the potential differneces of voltage locally, so that limiting possible current flow to 10ma (a possible level to lose voluntary muscle control) would reduce the chances of a person becoming paralyzed each time they attempt to leave the pool.

2. Pools are bad places to suddenly become paralyzed.
 

jumper

Senior Member
I have no written substantiation, but I'm imagining something like:

1. Reducing the potential differneces of voltage locally, so that limiting possible current flow to 10ma (a possible level to lose voluntary muscle control) would reduce the chances of a person becoming paralyzed each time they attempt to leave the pool.

2. Pools are bad places to suddenly become paralyzed.

Volta, I am too tired to evaluate your response right, yard work is killing me, but I have great respect for your opinion and insight, and I will think this through later. Your idea may have merit that I should consider.
 

satcom

Senior Member
I just checked with the stallcup's Illustrated Code Changes, 2008 Edition and it also says This bond shall be permitted to consist of parts that are required to be bonded in 680.26(B)

Sounds like an exception if other bonds are not present.
 

iwire

Moderator
Staff member
Location
Massachusetts
Here was the proposal, it was rejected.

17-122 Log #1894 NEC-P17 Final Action: Reject
(680.26(C) (New) )

Submitter: Frank C. Lambert, Georgia Tech/NEETRAC / Rep. National
Electric Energy Testing, Research, & Applications Center

Recommendation: Insert a new Section 680.26(C) as follows:

680.26(C) Pool Water. An intentional bond of a minimum conductive surface
area of 5806 mm 2 (9 in 2 ) shall be installed in contact with the pool water.
This bond shall be permitted to consist of parts that are required to be bonded
in 680.26(B).
Renumber the present sections sequentially from (C) to (D), (D) to (E), and
(E) to (F).

Substantiation: Bonding of metal parts in and around a swimming pool to an
equipotential bonding grid is extensively covered in 680.26. The intent of this
bonding is to equalize the voltages between the pool water and the deck
including any attached metal structures or parts. 680.26 has been effective in
mitigating stray voltage problems, especially in the case of fiberglass
swimming pools or pools with insulated liners.
680.26 describes various metal parts and equipment that require bonding with
an equipotential bonding grid. In describing these metal parts, it is assumed
that one or more of the parts are in contact with the pool water. This may not
always be the case. Some pools do not have any bonded metal parts in contact
with the water. In such a case, intentional bonding of the water is necessary to
equalize the water-to-deck voltages. Presently, 680.26 does not have a
provision for intentional bonding of the pool water.

Panel Meeting Action: Reject

Panel Statement:

The submitter has not provided adequate substantiation.
There are issues such as conductivity of water, changes with water temperature,
current flow, size of conductors, etc. that need to be addressed.

Number Eligible to Vote: 11
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 9 Negative: 2

Explanation of Negative:

HIRSCH, B.: The testing done by the National Electric Energy Testing,
Research and Applications Center (NEETRAC) clearly substantiates that the
potential for shock hazard is increased in pools where the pool water is not
bonded via metal parts in the pool. Results of this testing were reported to
Panel 17 at the proposal meeting in January of 2006. Based on this testing, EEI
supports the adoption of this proposal and as such is voting negative to the
panel?s action. At the proposal meeting, Panel 17 indicated they had additional
questions that needed to be answered before supporting this proposal. The
panel statement, however, did little to document those concerns. Just as the
submitter needs to provide compelling substantiation for a code change, the
code panel has the responsibility to provide a justifiable technical basis to
reject well supported proposals.

JHONSON, D.: I agree with the Submitter?s substantiation, and, in addition,
the substantiation of the NEETRAC testing results reported to Code-Making
Panel 17 at the ROP meeting in January of 2006. I have provided additional
relevant pool test results from a project supervised by the university of
Newcastle, Australia and sponsored by Energy Australia. This reports a
potential shock hazard when conditions exist effectively bridging the isolation
of the pool water provided by an insulated pool shell.
This issue should be revisited.

Note: Supporting Material is available for review at NFPA headquarters.
 

iwire

Moderator
Staff member
Location
Massachusetts
Then they changed their minds.


17-99 Log #1190 NEC-P17 Final Action: Accept
(680.26(C) (New) )

Submitter: Neil F. LaBrake, Jr., National Grid / Rep. Edison Electric Insitute-
Electric Light & Power Group

Comment on Proposal No: 17-122

Recommendation: Accept Proposal 17-122.

Substantiation: Testing done by a National Laboratory (NEETRAC) clearly
substantiates that the potential for shock hazard is present in pools where the
pool water is not bonded via metal parts in the pool. With this knowledge and
confirmation of a potential shock hazard, CMP-17 must address the issue.
NEETRAC, in its proposal, recommended a solution for bonding pool water

The proposed solution was tested and worked successfully. While the proposed
solution may not be the only solution, it meets the NEC criteria of providing
minimum protection for the public.

Panel Meeting Action: Accept

Number Eligible to Vote: 11

Ballot Results: Affirmative: 10

Ballot Not Returned: 1 Gill, C.
 

WinZip

Senior Member
For above ground pools, do you provide the device for the water bond or does the pool installer/manufacturer provide?

Is there a recommended supplier? Many of these devices are on backorder this year and the local electricians are scrambling to find another method such as using a metallic pipe with a clamp.

The most popular this year seems to be a PVC Tee with metal on the inside and the bonding lug on the top Tee connection. I do not know where they are finding them.

Try this the picture at bottom right - NEW! WaterBond product to comply with 680.26(C)

http://cmiwebsite.com/html/pool___spa_-electrical.html
 
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