Added a gfci bath receptacle to the living room circuit or vice versa?

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tsamples said:
If they had a non-GFCI receptacle outside, would you extend the circuit and add another non-GFCI? The work that you do needs to meet the current code. The code requires a dedicated circuit to the bathroom, so look for your circuit elsewhere.
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This is a little different : Ex. say the LR ckt also feeds bathroom. Is it against code to add a receptacle in the LR? Thats basically what the op is asking.

I cannot find any prohibition for that.

The code only says a new bath circuit cannot feed other outlets, it is silent afaict on an ​existing situation such as the ops.
 
user 100 said:
This is a little different : Ex. say the LR ckt also feeds bathroom. Is it against code to add a receptacle in the LR? Thats basically what the op is asking.

I cannot find any prohibition for that.

The code only says a new bath circuit cannot feed other outlets, it is silent afaict on an ​existing situation such as the ops.
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It does?

where do you read that you can install something new and you don't have to follow the new rules completely?
 
Sierrasparky said:
It does?

where do you read that you can install something new and you don't have to follow the new rules completely?
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* Remember the OP is not tapping off the LR/BDRM circuit to feed the bath gfci. It was like that before he got there (the bath gfci was already installed), now HO wants a receptacle added in the bedroom/LR etc on the same ckt that bath gfci was already tapped off of.

*The OP would be adding another outlet, but there is no code to violate b/c there is no bath circuit that he is feeding the new outlet from- it never existed (not required until the 90s). The code is referencing the dedicated bath ckt required today when it is talking about "no other outlets."

In the absence of prohibition......:)

I agree that it would be best just to go ahead an just give them a new ded bath circuit and get the bath off of that existing ckt that feeds those other rooms.
 
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480sparky said:
Impossible to tell. Just because it was installed on January 2, 2002 doesn't mean the 2002 NEC had been adopted. Maybe there's home-grown local codes instead of the NEC. Maybe there wasn't any Codes enforced when it was installed. Maybe there were Codes enforced, but some hack installed it off the radar. Maybe the homeowner did it. Maybe it was installed with a permit and inspected, but the inspector didn't catch it. Maybe the inspector did, but was paid off. Or just turned a blind eye.

Lots of maybes.
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Still missing the point. So is it ok to install a new receptacle on that circuit that contains a gfci receptacle in the bathroom?
 
user 100 said:
This is a little different : Ex. say the LR ckt also feeds bathroom. Is it against code to add a receptacle in the LR? Thats basically what the op is asking.

I cannot find any prohibition for that.

The code only says a new bath circuit cannot feed other outlets, it is silent afaict on an ​existing situation such as the ops.
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I agree.

Sierrasparky said:
It does?

where do you read that you can install something new and you don't have to follow the new rules completely?
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Where does it say you can't add an outlet to this "living room" circuit, that happens to have a now incorrect outlet in a bathroom? What if a dining room outlet were connected to it? What if you truly didn't know the bathroom outlet were on that circuit? What if you were caught driving 3 miles per hour over the posted speed limit?
 
jaylectricity said:
Still missing the point. So is it ok to install a new receptacle on that circuit that contains a gfci receptacle in the bathroom?
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In a word: No.

Long version: You're compounding and expanding a known violation.



If you walked into a house and saw a 100a overhead service with #4s slapped onto the side of the house, then notice the panel is a 200a, would you merrily add a circuit and claim, "But that's the way it was! It's existing!"?
 
480sparky said:
If you walked into a house and saw a 100a overhead service with #4s slapped onto the side of the house, then notice the panel is a 200a, would you merrily add a circuit and claim, "But that's the way it was! It's existing!"?
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Glad you asked.:cool:

Being from MA per our rule 3 I could do exactly what you describe and so can jaylectricity.

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It is supposed to be between the inspector and the homeowner per rule 4 if there are other issues that are an 'actual hazard' whatever that is determined to be.
 
iwire said:
Glad you asked.:cool:

Being from MA per our rule 3 I could do exactly what you describe and so can jaylectricity.

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It is supposed to be between the inspector and the homeowner per rule 4 if there are other issues that are an 'actual hazard' whatever that is determined to be.
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That's all fine and dandy............ if you are installing it in MA.

But knowing you, you expect everyone to know and remain current on all the various Codes all over the country, if not the world.
 
My takeaway is that it is not against code to add a receptacle to the circuit I mentioned. First of all, adding another receptacle in the living room is unlikely to add any more load to the circuit. It will just be a different place to plug something in. So it doesn't compound or make worse the code violation.

Secondly, in what world can we equate this situation with adding circuits to a 200A panel fed by #4s, 480sparky?
 
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