AFCI Poll.......now with poll.

AFCI Poll.......now with poll.

  • You agree with the AFCI requirements.

    Votes: 8 24.2%

  • You do not agree with the requirement of AFCI's.

    Votes: 11 33.3%

  • You think the NEC should get rid of AFCI requirement like it was for many years.

    Votes: 14 42.4%
  • Total voters
    33
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chevyx92

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You agree would the requirement of AFCI's.

You do not agree with the requirement of AFCI's.

You think the NEC should get rid of AFCI requirement like it was for many years.
 
With my very limited experience with the device, they do seem to work, but boy is it a pain to trouble shoot the problem.

As far as the NEC requirements it was going to happen at some point, look at it this way they can't make it much harder just about everything has to be AFCI'ed in a house now anyway.



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chevyx92 said:
BTW what did I do wrong when posting this poll? This is my first so I would like to get it right for next time. ;)
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You fill out a post like normal, but before you hit submit you have to click a box that says 'add a poll' once you do that and hit submit you are taken to a page for creating the poll. I don't think it is clear how to do it until you have done it .............. much like learning the NEC. :D
 
iwire said:
You fill out a post like normal, but before you hit submit you have to click a box that says 'add a poll' once you do that and hit submit you are taken to a page for creating the poll. I don't think it is clear how to do it until you have done it .............. much like learning the NEC. :D
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Gotcha, thanks again.
 
As to AFCI's I bitch about them at every opportunity. The State guys cringe when they see me at a meeting!! We don't have to install them in Wi. until 2010. I know people compare them to GFIC's in the early days haowever GFIC did not add over a thousand dollars to the cost of wiring a house. Or hundreds of dollars worth of inventory to the truck. If they were going to be required anywhere I would think it would be in old houses with loose wiring and fixtures. long nails pounded in all over, and worn out sockets. That I could see. But new houses?? Houses that are being inspected during construction and should be being( and for the most part are) wired by well trained, competent proffesionals. I still think this is what happens when manufacturers sit on code making panels. There, I have ranted and now I will sit back and suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous outrage.:D
 
:smile::-? I did not vote ,.. cuz I don't even know what the flipping requirement is:-?:D
 
iaov said:
As to AFCI's I bitch about them at every opportunity. The State guys cringe when they see me at a meeting!! We don't have to install them in Wi. until 2010. I know people compare them to GFIC's in the early days haowever GFIC did not add over a thousand dollars to the cost of wiring a house. Or hundreds of dollars worth of inventory to the truck. If they were going to be required anywhere I would think it would be in old houses with loose wiring and fixtures. long nails pounded in all over, and worn out sockets. That I could see. But new houses?? Houses that are being inspected during construction and should be being( and for the most part are) wired by well trained, competent proffesionals. I still think this is what happens when manufacturers sit on code making panels. There, I have ranted and now I will sit back and suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous outrage.:D
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I agree with you.
 
I'm going to stand by an earlier assertion that most home fires aren't caused by sparking wires. The problem with passing new safety codes is they're never tracked after passage to see if the intended result was met.

I don't consider and electric heater kicked under the drapes an electrical fire caused by a heater. I consider a heater plugged into an old 18 awg extention cord a fire caused by an overloaded extention cord, not an electrical fire.

New homes are most likely to get more circuits, new appliance and new lamps, etc likely to meet more stringent UL standards. Even the cords on new 5000 btu window air conditioners have built in GFCI's (what the heck for?) and are thicker than the cords that feed clothes dryers. IMHO the entire AFCI requirement was nothing more than the result of an opportunistic manufacturer and the NEC code panel caught with their pants down.
 
Forget about AFCI and make it illegal for ANYONE without an electrical license or working under a licensed EC, to do electrical work. They have homeowners, house flippers, and carpenters doing alot more damage to electrical wiring and they are not using AFCI.

To me.. its all BS making it a code. :mad:
 
I don't think you will ever get the camel's nose out of the tent. However, the cost will come down dramatically if the proposal makes it through that will permit unprotected (by an AFCI) NM cable is permitted to the first device and the rest of the circuit is AFCI protected. The proposal was accepted by hand count but the official balloting, the TCC actions, and the ROP is not complete yet. Then, of course, there is the ROC and the rest of the process. If that proposal makes it into the code, I may finally support the AFCIs. :smile:

It still makes my blood boil that the code was used to sell a product. :mad:
 
We're behind the curve here in NJ. They have excluded the AFCI requirements so far, so I don't even know what all the fuss is about. But I'm fearful that I'm about to find out when the '08 code is adopted ( any day now).
 
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