Originally posted by Mike03a3:
You forgot lighted switches.
I figured I would keep quiet on that.
Where you here for that thread?
It was a long one.
[ February 13, 2006, 07:01 PM: Message edited by: iwire ]
Originally posted by electricmanscott:
Homeowners can be a pain. It is usually the ones who have a job title that starts with an E and ends with an R and has nginee in the middle.
I know what the definition to outlet is and where it is located, thank you. It is a point, not a place.Originally posted by iwire:
Yes it is different.
The bedroom AFCI requirement applies to all outlets.
This is why smoke detectors, light fixtures, receptacle outlets, 120 volt 20 amp baseboard heaters and 15 or 20 amp 120 volt fireplaces located in bedrooms all require AFCI protection.
Look up the definition of 'outlet' in article 100 and you will find that an outlet is any place that the premises wiring supplies utilization equipment.
OK, so by your interpretation smoke detectors, recessed lighting fixtures and paddle fans do not have to have AFCI protection as the outlet for the them is not in the bedroom it is in the ceiling.Originally posted by throttlebody:
I know what the definition to outlet is and where it is located, thank you. It is a point, not a place.
If it within the space occupied by the fireplace is it within the bedroom ????IMHO
While we are at it I still think a switch in a bedroom needs to be afci protected.......Now that`s an Oh my here we go again 
Nice CAD work, Robert. Call me if the electrical bizz doesn't work out for you. I can always use a good CAD technician.Originally posted by throttlebody:
I hope these receptacles are evenly spaced.
Well yes.
Originally posted by al hildenbrand:
[sound effect] rattle of chains [/sound effect]
The dishwasher would actually not be breaking the floorline, as that type of fireplace would be, but that is irrelevant. The fireplace would actually be inside of the structured wall and the outlet would not be "IN" the bedroom.
in [ in ] CORE MEANING: indicating that something is within or inside something. Also, what about a receptacle in the attic that is feeding cove lighting in a tray ceiling? 210.12(B) says installed in not serving.
Edit: Our jurisdiction has tore this code apart years ago. You wouldn't believe the loopholes that come through our office on a weekly basis. I would like to meet the guy who defined Bill Clinton's question of "What is is? ".
[ February 15, 2006, 09:22 PM: Message edited by: throttlebody ]
Originally posted by throttlebody:
I think I cracked a rib.
No it is not, a switch is not an outlet anymore than a wirenut is an outlet, the concensus here is 75% agree that a switch is not an outlet verses 25% who think it is.
On the first page I described a two-sided fireplace. My memory fails, I don't recall the other discussion along this line very well, at least not well enough to walk away with a verdict to be lodged in my head.
Well we can leave at that and agree to disagree.
I thought I was pretty clear, I don't see the 'space' for the fireplace as a room.Originally posted by georgestolz:
So, how would you answer?
You were, sorry.
