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fbhwt

fbhwt

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Anyone checked this out? Not trying to instigate another discussion, trying collect as much information as I can and present to who ever makes the decisions on wanting to install these in the new barracks. My opinion is they are a waste of money.

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http://AFCISafety.org
 
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I can't see the military budging on a perceived safety issue after some of the history they have had. If they believe snake oil will be better PR, snake oil it will be. Between hospitals and barracks they've had some bad PR in the past few decades.
 
mgookin said:
I can't see the military budging on a perceived safety issue after some of the history they have had. If they believe snake oil will be better PR, snake oil it will be. Between hospitals and barracks they've had some bad PR in the past few decades.
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It would be interesting to see the look on IG's face when he finds out we spend X amount of dollars to install safety device and turn around and hire a contractor to take it out.
 
fbhwt said:
AFCISafety.org
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That site has been torn apart before its very poor.


But I will say this: considering that these barracks they could end up being one of those places that become essential to the continuity of national security or disaster recovery I would not want something that could automatically reject electronic/motor/lighting loads, or fry from an EMP. Have the wiring be meggered after rough in and then again at trim out. If they passes Id say they are all set.
 
mgookin said:
I can't see the military budging on a perceived safety issue after some of the history they have had. If they believe snake oil will be better PR, snake oil it will be. Between hospitals and barracks they've had some bad PR in the past few decades.
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Exactly.

No one is going to say leave AFCIs out. Even without an electrical incident that will be looked at as not carrying for our military personal.
 
fbhwt said:
It would be interesting to see the look on IG's face when he finds out we spend X amount of dollars to install safety device and turn around and hire a contractor to take it out.
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Or come during some dire emergency why half the circuits are tripping. Contingency management would have a field day.
 
mbrooke said:
That site has been torn apart before its very poor.


But I will say this: considering that these barracks they could end up being one of those places that become essential to the continuity of national security or disaster recovery I would not want something that could automatically reject electronic/motor/lighting loads, or fry from an EMP. Have the wiring be meggered after rough in and then again at trim out. If they passes Id say they are all set.
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I have some issues with AFCI's as well but even then this is a sleeping room not a command center.
 
kwired said:
I have some issues with AFCI's as well but even then this is a sleeping room not a command center.
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The government is such that it will go to any step and all steps to maintain continuity. Under a crisis if sleeping rooms have to become offices or command centers they will do so. Remember that on 9/11 the cite's state of the art, top command center had to be evacuated with services shifting to make shift trailers. Had more planes struck they would have probably moved into closed down subway tunnels.
 
mbrooke said:
The government is such that it will go to any step and all steps to maintain continuity. Under a crisis if sleeping rooms have to become offices or command centers they will do so. Remember that on 9/11 the cite's state of the art, top command center had to be evacuated with services shifting to make shift trailers. Had more planes struck they would have probably moved into closed down subway tunnels.
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Well with that approach federal law should require us all to wire our homes with the thought that it may be an emergency command center. I doubt the subway tunnels were designed to be a command center either, that is what "makeshift" is all about.
 
kwired said:
Well with that approach federal law should require us all to wire our homes with the thought that it may be an emergency command center. I doubt the subway tunnels were designed to be a command center either, that is what "makeshift" is all about.
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Homes aren't federal property nor does the gov have control over them. There are a million other locations that make far more sense and if any federal property needs to be used during a contingency they will do so. That is one of the basics of make shift, there is a pecking order based on need and quantity.


Granted subway tunnels are not designed as a command center, however if an emergency was profound enough officials would use them. If planes are falling out of the sky, what is more assuring; trailers out on a sidewalk or a tunnel underneath the east river? I know this is an extreme example, but bear in mind the prior to any weather event or tragedy the argument is always that it will never happen. It was said Hospitals would not flood, and during Sandy they did.
 
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mbrooke said:
Homes aren't federal property nor does the gov have control over them. There are a million other locations that make far more sense and if any federal property needs to be used during a contingency they will do so. That is one of the basics of make shift, there is a pecking order based on need and quantity.


Granted subway tunnels are not designed as a command center, however if an emergency was profound enough officials would use them. If planes are falling out of the sky, what is more assuring; trailers out on a sidewalk or a tunnel underneath the east river? I know this is an extreme example, but bear in mind the prior to any weather event or tragedy the argument is always that it will never happen. It was said Hospitals would not flood, and during Sandy they did.
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Breathe. AFCIs in army barracks are not going to lead to a national tragedy.
 
jumper said:
True. Most of the tragedies that the military has suffered regarding electrical installations have been caused by by improper grounding/bonding issues by contractors and military personnel. Most of these were overseas affairs.
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My neighbor had a CO incident in his home. My home has never had a fire. Do I remove my smoke alarms?
 
mgookin said:
I can't see the military budging on a perceived safety issue after some of the history they have had. If they believe snake oil will be better PR, snake oil it will be. Between hospitals and barracks they've had some bad PR in the past few decades.
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All of which was caused by ignorance and poor over site. Not one of the contractor knew what they were doing in Iraq and neither the people who thought it was a good idea to test gensets without load.
 
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