AFI's crying "wolf"

[celtic]

If you are waiting for circuit protection to be perfected, you have a long wait buddy.

That's not a problem...I can wait...NJ hasn't accepted 210.12 for the '05 and hopefully they won't for the '08.

We can depend on youse other guys to be the lab rats

All we ask is that the maufac. give us products that WORK properly.

 

[mdshunk]

All we ask is that the maufac. give us products that WORK properly.

As far as the future troubleshooting goes, there is some great test equipment coming out of the UK for this purpose. Those guys over there have been dealing with whole house GFCI protection for a while now, and they've got a pretty nice array of test equipment that can really speed up the troubleshooting. Most AFCI troubles that I've been experiencing have been related to the GFCI portion of the device.

 

[oldcrow]

That's not a problem...I can wait...NJ hasn't accepted 210.12 for the '05 and hopefully they won't for the '08.QUOTE]

You Jersey boys are pretty good. I have never seen a requirement be optional. . .

"Chapter 2 of the electrical subcode, entitled ?Wiring and Protection,? is amended as follows:
i. (No change.) Section 210.12(B) of Article 210, entitled ?Branch Circuits,? is amended to insert the following sentence at the end of the section, ?This requirement shall be considered optional.?

They don't say they don't support it, they say "It's Optional".

I don't get that. But hey, I guess they can do what they want. No matter how rediculous. :wink:

 

[celtic]

I don't get that. But hey, I guess they can do what they want. No matter how rediculous. :wink:

Kind of like how the CMP voted on 210.12

 

[WiredGuy]

I agree. I think the manufacturers must work out those issues to gain the customers' trust.

 

[allenwayne]

Come on we all know that in the end it is all about the $$$$$$

Years ago in the big apple I was part of a situation that was well kind of funny a 2 part story.The first part involves a taboo subject organized labor.It involved a TEAM that the organizer still has not been found !!!!!

We were a smaller but connected company doing work in what was then called a long line building.Communications.This guy comes and asked for my card.Not having one they shut the building down. Next thing I know on payday these 2 guys are there.(NO NECKS) OK one says this shop is now part of our association you don't have to join but were are taking your dues out anyway.

Second part was from a corporate level from major gas stations,One major company in NYC bought 200 stations from another.Our job was to change out lights, pumps, signs etc. nice huh gets better.The leaver of these stations had a type of island light I like to call an aspirin fixture.Like 4 ft. round with a white round lense. 6 months later they revert back to the original company.???? I don`t complain small company plenty of OT to do this.The kicker is that we saved all the original fixtures and sent them to a body shop to be repainted then we rewired them and the original company bought back the fixtures they already owned !!!!!!Is it right, NO did it happen OH YEAH to the tune of some really big $$$$$$$$$

Isn`t free enterprise a grand thing ????????

 

[oldcrow]

If any of us think that those who make safety devices do not expect to contribute dollars to the bottom line, we're crazy. I highly doubt the air bag guys are losing money, the smoke detector guys are losing money, fire extinguishers, seat belts, CO2 detectors, ground fault, and I could go on and on. The fact is that these products would not come to market if someone wasn't making money.

Heck. . . When I give a quote on a job, I expect to make money. I don't work for free. I don't cut corners on my work either and I don't expect those who perform work for me to cut corners to save a buck.

nothing in this world is done for free. But there is alot of good done and a lot of lives saved.

 

[Pierre C Belarge]

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nothing in this world is done for free.

That is not completely true. There are many companies (I speak of electrical companies) who donate time/money/equipment/labor for good causes all over this great country of ours.


There may be a lot of nasty people/companies, etc... in this world, but there are many good people/companies as well!!!

 

[oldcrow]

I highly doubt that those donated dollars put them in the red. I donate money too. Give to my church, and other needy people. I still put money in the bank too. I think that any company who donates is still in the green. THey wouldn't be in business too long if they weren't. Especially big companies. Think about it. They have to answer to stock holders. Stock Holders aren't in the business to donate their earnings.

 

[brian john]

If any of us think that those who make safety devices do not expect to contribute dollars to the bottom line, we're crazy. I highly doubt the air bag guys are losing money, the smoke detector guys are losing money, fire extinguishers, seat belts, CO2 detectors, ground fault, and I could go on and on

I am all for safety, and know little about AFCI's, but if any of the other items you mentioned were substandard, they would have class action lawsuits filed (and I would bet they have). If this product (AFCI's) are substandard, your firm could be named in the class action lawsuit. Would you be guilty? let a jury of your pears determine that, either way you lawyer will be giving your money to his favorite charity, and car dealer and mortgage company and wife and kids.

This is a wonderful country, free enterprise (for as free as it is) is wonderful, and litigation is a MAJOR part of this. If you have not been to court to experience our wonderful judicial system consider yourself lucky, when you get drug into court for something that was beyond your control and see the folks that are going to determine your fate, Well hopefully you won't grab your chest.

 

[oldcrow]

I have never installed a substandard AFCI. I've not had one not trip when it was supposed to.

 

[infinity]

I have never installed a substandard AFCI. I've not had one not trip when it was supposed to.

The problem isn't with them being substandard, it is that they trip when they're not supposed to.

 

[oldcrow]

I can say when they first came out I had a bunch of issues. I haven't had issues in a while though. When I have one that trips, I always find a problem. At least lately that is. Are you guys seeing big issues?