AI Expert System is needed very badly for the NFPA 70: National Elecrrical Code

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iwire said:
Have at it, here is my code question.

I ran an NM cable exposed in a basement following the surface of the structure.

The inspector failed the job, he said it is subject to damage.

Is the inspector right?
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I'll make the popcorn...
 
iwire said:
Have at it, here is my code question.

I ran an NM cable exposed in a basement following the surface of the structure.

The inspector failed the job, he said it is subject to damage.

Is the inspector right?
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In this type of scenario, assuming all very detailed questions describing the basement and the installation are agreed upon by both Inspector and Installer, the system will cite the pertinent clauses of the code and will supply very close precedents both pictorially and textually. The scenarios cited can be constrained to geo regions or similar footage homes etc. Every decision made will be retained in the database for future guidance and disambiguation. In reality the expected number of these "intractable" cases will be a very small percentage and yes the Inspector like a Judge in the Court system can arbitrate and an appeal process can be invoked.

The other big thing is that the Installer can run this as a "what if" beforehand and if his Inspector is of cantankerous and poor disposition he might avoid the situation. Each Inspector's name will be retained for each inspection. The context and identity can be access restricted and redacted for privacy reasons.

Does that response earn a kernel????

Thank you for the well thought out question......
 
dionysius said:
In this type of scenario, assuming all very detailed questions describing the basement and the installation are agreed upon by both Inspector and Installer, the system will cite the pertinent clauses of the code and will supply very close precedents both pictorially and textually. The scenarios cited can be constrained to geo regions or similar footage homes etc. Every decision made will be retained in the database for future guidance and disambiguation. In reality the expected number of these "intractable" cases will be a very small percentage and yes the Inspector like a Judge in the Court system can arbitrate and an appeal process can be invoked.

The other big thing is that the Installer can run this as a "what if" beforehand and if his Inspector is of cantankerous and poor disposition he might avoid the situation. Each Inspector's name will be retained for each inspection. The context and identity can be access restricted and redacted for privacy reasons.

Does that response earn a kernel????

Thank you for the well thought out question......
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You seem to have it all figured out, go make it happen.
 
When I read "Artificial Intelligence" I thought this was a discussion about the inspectors in the neighboring jurisdiction. They seem to make things up all the time with no backing by any codes that are in print. Then I realize it was about computer stuff. I do not own a smart phone and typed this out will hunt and pecking the keyboard. Sounds cool, but would you get the same answer every time and would it stand up in court? I think I will keep carrying my book with me.
 
dionysius said:
In this type of scenario, assuming all very detailed questions describing the basement and the installation are agreed upon by both Inspector and Installer, the system will cite the pertinent clauses of the code and will supply very close precedents both pictorially and textually. The scenarios cited can be constrained to geo regions or similar footage homes etc. Every decision made will be retained in the database for future guidance and disambiguation. In reality the expected number of these "intractable" cases will be a very small percentage and yes the Inspector like a Judge in the Court system can arbitrate and an appeal process can be invoked.

The other big thing is that the Installer can run this as a "what if" beforehand and if his Inspector is of cantankerous and poor disposition he might avoid the situation. Each Inspector's name will be retained for each inspection. The context and identity can be access restricted and redacted for privacy reasons.

Does that response earn a kernel????

Thank you for the well thought out question......
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What you have described is a heuristic learning system, not true artificial intelligence. Every response is scripted and does not flow from the application of first principles. In iwire's scenario, the "AI" won't do any better than your're average inspector because the boundaries of the problem remain ill-defined.
 
Bob's question:

iwire said:
Have at it, here is my code question.

I ran an NM cable exposed in a basement following the surface of the structure.

The inspector failed the job, he said it is subject to damage.

Is the inspector right?
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AI's response:

NEC AI System said:
Installing all wiring in PVC coated rigid steel conduit with explosion proof fittings and boxes would meet the intent of the code.
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steve66 said:
Bob's question:

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Originally Posted by iwire Have at it, here is my code question.

I ran an NM cable exposed in a basement following the surface of the structure.

The inspector failed the job, he said it is subject to damage.

Is the inspector right?
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AI's response:

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Originally Posted by NEC AI System
Installing all wiring in PVC coated rigid steel conduit with explosion proof fittings and boxes would meet the intent of the code.
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Well there you have it, it can be done :D

Roger
 
We can...

We can...

We can start using an AI for jobs when we are all answering to an "AIHJ".

...if the computers can't stop arguing, then we have no hope.
 
dionysius said:
In this type of scenario, assuming all very detailed questions describing the basement and the installation are agreed upon by both Inspector and Installer, the system will cite the pertinent clauses of the code and will supply very close precedents both pictorially and textually. The scenarios cited can be constrained to geo regions or similar footage homes etc. Every decision made will be retained in the database for future guidance and disambiguation. In reality the expected number of these "intractable" cases will be a very small percentage and yes the Inspector like a Judge in the Court system can arbitrate and an appeal process can be invoked.

The other big thing is that the Installer can run this as a "what if" beforehand and if his Inspector is of cantankerous and poor disposition he might avoid the situation. Each Inspector's name will be retained for each inspection. The context and identity can be access restricted and redacted for privacy reasons.

Does that response earn a kernel????

Thank you for the well thought out question......
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The problem is that in this question there is no real answer as it is total subjective.
 
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sii said:
All of my I is A.:blink:
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I think a true artificial intelligence expert NEC system, if it could ever be achieved, would push all of us, no matter how Code savvy, into some serious continuing education.

One of the more convoluted threads at this Forum, Big oops . . . need suggestions went to 79 pages (782 posts) and was basically debating the meaning of Outlet. . . a single word with a 15 word definition in Article 100.
 
al hildenbrand said:
One of the more convoluted threads at this Forum, Big oops . . . need suggestions went to 79 pages (782 posts) and was basically debating the meaning of Outlet. . . a single word with a 15 word definition in Article 100.
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:lol:

Hold on, was there a single other forum member that agreed with you?:D

Just because you caused a thread to go 79 pages that is not indicative of lack of NEC education of the rest of us. :p
 
Go back to the thread, Bob. The understanding of Outlet was varied, and widely so. That has nothing to do with my argument in that thread.
 
iwire said:
I would sooner stick my 6" Klein in my eye. :)
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Yeah, I understand that.

In that thread, you and I were dancing around whether an outlet was at a wirenut splicing a factory range whip to the branch circuit conductors.

Fun times.:angel:
 
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