Another bad new code

[AC\DC]

Look at these crappy waygo that are out, or think of a bad wire nut splice that crap causes a lot of damage.
I have never seen a 1940s solder connection come loose if they really care about safety they would ban those stupid nuts and have us go back to solder but no because it’s more expensive not everyone can do it Which means higher costs, which means more expensive homes. They’re trying to keep the prices of houses down by installing cheaper crap.
It’s a giant racket. It’s not for safety. It’s all the line someone’s pocket—-

All the book does is make the lazy people kind of pull their pants up so they have to pass code and not worry about getting sued

While limiting the good people to a set standard when they could do so much more so much better than the dumb book

Just like those service rated line ,side taps connectors now ( I don’t know what they’re actually called since Oregon doesn’t need them.) you need to have a special rating for these dumb things when we’ve been using them for how long with no problem just so some manufacturer can make a couple extra buck

And then someone’s gonna come in and say we’ll give your public input . I guess in a sense they’re right, but you can’t do it nationally you gotta do it locally. Have your state stop this nonsense.

 

[electrofelon]

Yup that's the problem. If all splices were good to last 100 years there wouldn't be any issue. Unfortunately many of the hacks who bury boxes also suck at splicing.

But I'm really not seeing that as a code issue. Seems like more of a training and quality and inspection issue, granted a royal pia to tear up walls, but not a fire, shock, or life safety issue.

 

[AC\DC]

But I'm really not seeing that as a code issue. Seems like more of a training and quality and inspection issue, granted a royal pia to tear up walls, but not a fire, shock, or life safety issue.

you could have a loose connection that heats its way up the wire burning the insulation pass the box, but then again that gets to your point and mine better installation practices and better, mechanical connections

Cause you could have an exposed box and still have that wire burn up I’ve seen that before the code doesn’t prevent shotty insulation it just masks it behind rules

 

[electrofelon]

you could have a loose connection that heats its way up the wire burning the insulation pass the box, but then again that gets to your point and mine better installation practices and better, mechanical connections

Cause you could have an exposed box and still have that wire burn up I’ve seen that before the code doesn’t prevent shotty insulation it just masks it behind rules

Right, I'm really not seeing any difference between a covered over box and a box with a plate on it, behind an appliance, up in the attic whatever, from a fire standpoint.

 

[letgomywago]

I don't disagree that all boxes should be accessible. I take issue with making the box unworkable but what's unworkable for me is really buried in a tight spot. A 300 lb guy can't even get near what I can but.

Something should be said in this article that's more descriptive. Like having a small work area clearance if fixture is dropped ect...

We all are ok with a box behind a surface mounted fixture (or medallion held up by it)

We all don't like a 12 by 12 behind a 6 in can

Half are split on a 4 square on the side of the 6 in can

We all hate tycos being burried I don't want the code to go down that path and allow burried handy boxes. We all know something fishy happend there.

 

[Joethemechanic]

I'd sleep better with a metal box with wire nuts, than I would with one of these things buried in a wall.


Those things would make me feel like I was sleeping in a 1970's trailer with aluminum NM while running a 1500 watt portable heater.


And having worked on lots of truck and equipment electrical, they remind me too much of these scotchloks that seem to fail a lot