another bath gfci question?

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I posted a bit back about questioning the bath circ (receptacle) and requirements....... post history didn't go back far enough to find and I couldn't locate it.

enclosed is an older post for wording.

the question is,
A Bath is existing... the receptacle requirement is met. Now an additional receptacle is wanted on a separate wall ( low for a night light :- ) ), there is a receptacle on the other side of that wall in a bed room, can that bed receptacle be tapped off of for that new night light bath receptacle... ?

Thank you.
 
If you are on the 2017 NEC look at 210.11(C)(3).

At least one 120V, 20 amp circuit shall be provided to supply the bathroom's receptacle outlet(s).

The way they wrote that I would assume that if it's a receptacle and in a bathroom it would be required to be on the bathroom's branch circuit.

A Philidelphia lawyer may be able to find another meaning.
 
ritelec said:
I posted a bit back about questioning the bath circ (receptacle) and requirements....... post history didn't go back far enough to find and I couldn't locate it.

enclosed is an older post for wording.

the question is,
A Bath is existing... the receptacle requirement is met. Now an additional receptacle is wanted on a separate wall ( low for a night light :- ) ), there is a receptacle on the other side of that wall in a bed room, can that bed receptacle be tapped off of for that new night light bath receptacle... ?

Thank you.
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See 210.11 (C)(3)-Bathroom branch circuits.

......."such circuits shall have no other outlets."

Read the exception to 210.11 listed below the passage, and the 210.23(A) exception.

You can't feed other receptacles outside of the bath with the 20a bath circuit.
 
ritelec said:
I posted a bit back about questioning the bath circ (receptacle) and requirements....... post history didn't go back far enough to find and I couldn't locate it.

enclosed is an older post for wording.

the question is,
A Bath is existing... the receptacle requirement is met. Now an additional receptacle is wanted on a separate wall ( low for a night light :- ) ), there is a receptacle on the other side of that wall in a bed room, can that bed receptacle be tapped off of for that new night light bath receptacle... ?

Thank you.
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Ok, now I actually understand your question- you want to tap off a separately fed bdrm rec to install a rec in a bathroom that already has a code compliant 20a bath ckt?

Nothing that I can see prohibits that.
 
Don't know what if any change may have been in 2017, but 2014 says:"at least one 120-volt, 20-ampere branch circuit shall be provided to supply a bathroom receptacle outlet(s)" That"(s)" IMO intends to include all receptacle outlets in the bath.
 
I'm in the camp that as long as there is one 20A circuit that supplies a receptacle in the bathroom, having additional receptacles from other circuits is ok.

The (s) just means that you may have 2 or more receptacles on that required 20A circuit. As far as feeding receptacles outside the bathroom, as long as you're not feeding it with that required 20A circuit, it's allowed.
 
jaylectricity said:
The (s) just means that you may have 2 or more receptacles on that required 20A circuit.
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And the standard GFCI duplex installed on the req 20a bath technically counts as 2 receptacles- that would explain the plural definition in the code. I don't think they meant all receptacles i the bath had to fed from the req 20a bath ckt, only that at least one is to be fed by the req ckt.
 
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And the standard GFCI duplex installed on the req 20a bath technically counts as 2 receptacles- that would explain the plural definition in the code. I don't think they meant all receptacles i the bath had to fed from the req 20a bath ckt, only that one is at least present.
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I agree. Also the code says "at least one 20A circuit". So if you have one 20A circuit feeding two duplex receptacles on either side of the sink AND a circuit that feeds the hallway lights, bath lights, and a toilet seat warmer you have "at least" met the requirement.
 
And before anyone mentions it, I am aware that the bathroom lights don't need to be AFCI whereas the hallway lights do. At first I would avoid mixing the two thinking I was saving an arc-fault breaker on the bath lights. But then you're usually using a whole 15A circuit for what amounts to about 300VA of lighting/fans per bathroom.
 
If you read the entire rule, the "receptacle{S}" is permitting you to wire another bath on the same bath circuit as long as it's only receptacles in both and not lights, fans, etc.
 
Little Bill said:
If you read the entire rule, the "receptacle{S}" is permitting you to wire another bath on the same bath circuit as long as it's only receptacles in both and not lights, fans, etc.
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The plural does also mean that. But other than older places from the 80's, or a full bath/small half bath situation, haven't seen it done that way much. Always seems that each bath in newer construction has its own bath ckt, and that the lights are either also on the bath before the gfci or are tapped off a gen/hlwy lighting/bdrm... etc
 
Little Bill said:
If you read the entire rule, the "receptacle{S}" is permitting you to wire another bath on the same bath circuit as long as it's only receptacles in both and not lights, fans, etc.
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The code requires a 20 amp circuit for the bathroom(s) (plural bathrooms) receptacle outlet(s) (plural outlets).

The exception allows lights and fan if the circuit only feds one bathroom.

There is no mention or exception that says only the required receptacle outlets are to be fed from this circuit. Sure you can run more than one circuit to the bathroom and we often do for other equipment (garden tub, jet air, heater, ).
 
jaylectricity said:
I'm in the camp that as long as there is one 20A circuit that supplies a receptacle in the bathroom, having additional receptacles from other circuits is ok.
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That required 20 amp circuits is for all the bathroom receptacles in the house (could be 5 bathrooms). code minimum and not good design.

If you run this circuit to the first bathroom can you just wire receptacles in the other bathrooms to whatever circuit is handy? No you can not. It would be the same thing, you pick a place where you think you have satisfied code and then start wiring bath receptacles to bedroom circuits.
 
Thank you all of you. Good stuff !!!!

I'm in the camp of 20 amp designated for recepts in bath.

However , I'm thinking of being friendly with the other camp
For this receptacle. Any issue (s) I'll be looking for a Philadelphian lawyer :- )

Thanks again.
 
ritelec said:
However , I'm thinking of being friendly with the other camp
For this receptacle. Any issue (s) I'll be looking for a Philadelphian lawyer :- )
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Many of us would probably take the easy route since it's not going to hurt anything.But if this were a test question I still would go the other way.
 
The owner also wants a receptacle in his other bed room closet for a printer. On the other side of that wall is the refrigerator receptacle.....





Had to put the squash on that one.... :- )





Thanks gents.
 
ritelec said:
The owner also wants a receptacle in his other bed room closet for a printer. On the other side of that wall is the refrigerator receptacle.....
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In the off chance the fridge isn't on one of the sabcs or it doesn't require its own ckt, there would be nothing illegal about doing that.
 
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