another bath gfci question?

[ritelec]

I don't have the book in front of me. Will have to check, but does it say 2 or more circs. No other shall be on ?

That fridge is off the counter top.
But there is an over the stove micro wave. You have me thinking if I can tap off that. ??

 

[kwired]

I don't have the book in front of me. Will have to check, but does it say 2 or more circs. No other shall be on ?

That fridge is off the counter top.
But there is an over the stove micro wave. You have me thinking if I can tap off that. ??

If the fridge is in the kitchen, dining room, pantry, breakfast room, etc. it must be on a SABC. User100's comment would apply if the fridge were in a place where it wasn't required to be on a SABC, like maybe a fridge at a wet bar.

 

[user 100]

But there is an over the stove micro wave. You have me thinking if I can tap off that. ??

You might be able to do that- here are the potential issues with doing that:

*If this a micro hood combo that is cord plug connected you can't do it per 422.16(5). If the unit is hardwired, then there is no violation of that passage, but....

*The mw is considered fixed in place and draws more than 50% of the branch circuit rating per 210.23(A)(2) or is required to be on its own ckt.....

And you were correct about sabcs not supplying other outlets.

If the fridge is in the kitchen, dining room, pantry, breakfast room, etc. it must be on a SABC. User100's comment would apply if the fridge were in a place where it wasn't required to be on a SABC, like maybe a fridge at a wet bar.

That was precisely my view- knew that it was likely the fridge was in a 210.52(B) area making the point moot, but mentioned it anyway.

 

[jaylectricity]

That required 20 amp circuits is for all the bathroom receptacles in the house (could be 5 bathrooms). code minimum and not good design.

If you run this circuit to the first bathroom can you just wire receptacles in the other bathrooms to whatever circuit is handy? No you can not. It would be the same thing, you pick a place where you think you have satisfied code and then start wiring bath receptacles to bedroom circuits.

That's not what I said at all. In your scenario the one circuit can feed one receptacle IN EACH bathroom, THEN you can also have other receptacles from other circuits.

 

[ritelec]

You might be able to do that- here are the potential issues with doing that:

*If this a micro hood combo that is cord plug connected you can't do it per 422.16(5). If the unit is hardwired, then there is no violation of that passage, but....

*The mw is considered fixed in place and draws more than 50% of the branch circuit rating per 210.23(A)(2) or is required to be on its own ckt.....

And you were correct about sabcs not supplying other outlets.





thank you..

 

[user 100]

That required 20 amp circuits is for all the bathroom receptacles in the house (could be 5 bathrooms). code minimum and not good design.

If you run this circuit to the first bathroom can you just wire receptacles in the other bathrooms to whatever circuit is handy? No you can not. It would be the same thing, you pick a place where you think you have satisfied code and then start wiring bath receptacles to bedroom circuits.

I think there is a little confusion here.

Jaylectricity believes, as mentioned in posts 7&9, that as long as a bathroom already meets the code requirement for the dedicated 20a bath ckt, there is no issue if one installs an additional receptacle that is fed from separate ckt( picked up from adjoining bedroom as in the ops case) in that same bathroom. And he is right- nothing in the code prohibits doing so.

 

[growler]

If you are on the 2017 NEC look at 210.11(C)(3).

At least one 120V, 20 amp circuit shall be provided to supply the bathroom(s) receptacle outlet(s). Such circuits shall have no other outlets.

I think there is a little confusion here.

Jaylectricity believes, as mentioned in posts 7&9, that as long as a bathroom already meets the code requirement for the dedicated 20a bath ckt, there is no issue if one installs an additional receptacle that is fed from separate ckt( picked up from adjoining bedroom as in the ops case) in that same bathroom. And he is right- nothing in the code prohibits doing so.

Ok, so how many receptacles in each bathroom must be fed from the required circuit/circuits for code to be met? You are not limited to one bath circuit you can have a many as needed and can have as many receptacles as desired but such circuits shall have no other outlets.

Both bathroom(s) and outlet(s) are plural. This is not a permissive code but a mandatory one because of the shall.

When you install this addional receptacle since it is located in the bathroom will it not be one of those bathroom receptacle outlet(s) for which a seperate 120V 20 amp circuit is required?

How can a circuit supply a bathroom receptacle and a bedroom receptacle and have no other outlets?

I actually wish you were right but I don't believe that is what the code requires.

 

[kwired]

Ok, so how many receptacles in each bathroom must be fed from the required circuit/circuits for code to be met? You are not limited to one bath circuit you can have a many as needed and can have as many receptacles as desired but such circuits shall have no other outlets.

Both bathroom(s) and outlet(s) are plural. This is not a permissive code but a mandatory one because of the shall.

When you install this addional receptacle since it is located in the bathroom will it not be one of those bathroom receptacle outlet(s) for which a seperate 120V 20 amp circuit is required?

How can a circuit supply a bathroom receptacle and a bedroom receptacle and have no other outlets?

I actually wish you were right but I don't believe that is what the code requires.

That has been what I have always thought the intention was, 20 amp circuits supplying receptacles in bathrooms, if other outlets are supplied they must be in the bathroom. I have no problem with a bath outlet on with an adjacent bedroom, used to do that all the time. Bedrooms don't normally have much load, plus I generally still run 20 amp circuits for nearly all receptacle outlets, on new installations anyway.

 

[jaylectricity]

Don't know what if any change may have been in 2017, but 2014 says:"at least one 120-volt, 20-ampere branch circuit shall be provided to supply a bathroom receptacle outlet(s)" That"(s)" IMO intends to include all receptacle outlets in the bath.

The code is saying that a branch circuit shall be provided to supply A bathroom receptacle (or receptacles if you wish). It does not say that circuit shall supply ALL bathroom receptacles. Simply that you must have at least one circuit dedicated to either 1. a bathroom receptacle in each bathroom. Or 2. dedicated to outlets within one bathroom. It's the other code requiring a receptacle adjacent to the basin that requires at least one receptacle in the bathroom.

This particular code is not the permissive variety, but the code overall is permissive. If there is nothing that says there can't be other outlets on other circuits in addition to the required circuit, then it is permissible.

 

[electricalist]

They will eventually come up with the Small Appliance Bathroom Circuit , that shall serve no other bathrooms


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[growler]

This particular code is not the permissive variety, but the code overall is permissive. If there is nothing that says there can't be other outlets on other circuits in addition to the required circuit, then it is permissible.

At least one circuit. that's all you would need for a bathroom with no extra equipment such as a jet air tub.

At least one doesn't mean only one, I take it to mean as many as needed. The next part says "such circuits shall have no other outlets".