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electrofelon said:
Is one of the conductors of the system connected to Earth? That is what system grounding is.
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There are a number of grounding schemes that have been used in Europe and the UK over the years. Apparently Besoeker doesn't know which one he has.1000004843.png
 
electrofelon said:
Is one of the conductors of the system connected to Earth? That is what system grounding is.
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Yes if there is a fault. The distribution system for domestic residences starts at 11V and drops to 400/230V. The earth is at the distribution point in normal circumstances the earth doesn't conduct current. If a fault occurs then current will flow into the earth. I don't know if I can make it any clearer........
 
Besoeker3 said:
Yes if there is a fault. The distribution system for domestic residences starts at 11V and drops to 400/230V. The earth is at the distribution point in normal circumstances the earth doesn't conduct current. If a fault occurs then current will flow into the earth. I don't know if I can make it any clearer........
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So the secondary wye point of the transformer is grounded/earthed? Is an overhead service drop just two conductor for single phase?
 
So the secondary wye point of the transformer is grounded/earthed? Is an overhead service drop just two conductor for single phase?
Normally we have 3-phase oil filled local units
 
Fred B said:
Besoeker3 is on a 230V system so it is better for them to not have a live screw shell. Kind of reminds me of the 12V automotive lights with the twist/pin holder.
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They don't; their 230v is line-to-neutral from a 400v wye system.
 
What about rural areas without 3-phase distribution?
I imagine they have something like this

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or this
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CoolWill said:
Except you haven't. You have danced all around it. If you don't know just say you don't know. You'll look less foolish.
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Yes I don't understand why he doesn't answer the question or just won't say he doesn't know or doesn't want to answer...

Does anyone else know? Okay so my understanding is this: low voltage is basically 230Y/400. Commercial gets three phases and a neutral, residential generally just gets single phase, a line and the neutral. Correct?

Questions:
1. Is the wye point grounded? If so where? At the pole and also at the building like we do here in the states?

2. So is a single phase service drop just two conductors? Is the neutral a bare messenger with the single line conductor wrapped around it?

3. I assume three phases distribution is not run everywhere and that there must be single-phase distribution perhaps in rural or residential areas. So in that case it is just a single phase 230 volt transformer with one end grounded? (Relates to question #1 of course).
 
The IEC has standardized types of grounding systems in 60364-1, when doing any kind of comparison its helpful to take a minute and understand IEC terminology in terms of the NEC and then whatever country your working in or discussing etc;
It translates to NEC terminology like this,

Start at the secondary of a distribution transformer (utility side or a separately derived system)

The First Letter (I or T) indicates the relationship of the distribution transformer to ground.
T = direct connection of one point to earth.
I = all live parts isolated from earth, or one point connected to earth via a high impedance.

The second letter indicates the relationship of all exposed-conductive-parts and any equipment grounding conductors to a grounding electrode system.
T = direct electrical connection to a grounding electrode system independent of any other grounding electrode system.
N = direct electrical connection of the neutral point or a line conductor to the grounding electrode system and thus the equipment grounding conductors.

Subsequent letter with a dash - (if any) and describe the arrangement of neutral and equipment grounding conductor
S = Grounds and neutral (or grounded phase) are run separately all the way from the distribution transformer.
C = neutral (or grounded phase conductor) and equipment grounding provided by the same conductor

So what we typically have here under the NEC is called TN-C-S
T) Because at the secondary we have a direct connection of one point to ground;
N) We have direct electrical connection of the neutral point or a line conductor to the grounding electrode system and thus the equipment grounding conductors.
Then for the conductors
-C The utility neutral is combined with the equipment grounding conductor until the service disconnect.
-S After the service disconnect they are separate

Under the NEC a ungrounded system with ground detectors would be a IT system.

electrofelon said:
Does anyone else know? Okay so my understanding is this: low voltage is basically 230Y/400. Commercial gets three phases and a neutral, residential generally just gets single phase, a line and the neutral. Correct?

Questions:
1. Is the wye point grounded? If so where? At the pole and also at the building like we do here in the states?
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The main earthing systems in the UK TN-C-S,
but they also allow and have are TN-S and TT
TN-S is that Mtnelect fells dream, the neutral is bonded once at the secondary then everything is separate after that.
So for a 208/120 three phase service you'd have 5 wires from the utility.
TT is when a the neutral or one of the phases on the secondary is grounded to a ground rod at the pole but then that's it, its ran insulated after that, then at your house you establish a GEC connect all your equipment grounds to it but don't bond the neutral,
I am fairly certain this is how they do it in Japan.

electrofelon said:
2. So is a single phase service drop just two conductors? Is the neutral a bare messenger with the single line conductor wrapped around it?
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In areas with allot of underground distribution the service lateral looks like our MV cable, a concentric coax type, for a TT system the neutral is insulated or what we call covered.
electrofelon said:
3. I assume three phases distribution is not run everywhere and that there must be single-phase distribution perhaps in rural or residential areas. So in that case it is just a single phase 230 volt transformer with one end grounded? (Relates to question #1 of course).
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See my diagram in post #53 the only diagram I am unsure of is if there are old TT systems where at the pole center-tap is grounded.
I am fairly certain you can find 240/480 split phase in rural Scotland, and probably 220/440 in old parts of mainland EU and all the way east.
Rural parts of Australia and NZ also have 240/480.
But hopefully others will chime in and correct me as I probably missed something.
 
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