Apartments, 210.52, and Detached Garages, Oh my!

[George Stolz]

Had a discussion with an inspector the other day, and he said he failed a detached garage built next to an apartment, or condo, etc, because there was no receptacle installed persuant to 210.52(G).

Is a detached garage next to an apartment governed by 210.52 at all? That's my question.

A detached garage is not a dwelling unit.

But the detached garage exists to house the cars (and junk) of people living in the dwelling units.

I do not think 210.52 governs this installation. What are other's thoughts?

 

[physis]

Re: Apartments, 210.52, and Detached Garages, Oh my!

George, did you even read 210.52(G)?

and in each detached garage with electric power.

However it makes me wonder if a battery powered flashlight stored in the garage would cause it to require a receptacle outlet.

 

[George Stolz]

Re: Apartments, 210.52, and Detached Garages, Oh my!

Sam,

In truth, I didn't. I ignored Charlie B's rule, and trusted memory on this one. My basis was, 210.52(itself) governs dwelling units, which a 6-bay garage is not (unless you're in trouble with the wife).

But, upon request, I looked again and saw this:

(G) Basements and Garages. For a one-family dwelling, at least one receptacle outlet, in addition to any provided for laundry equipment, shall be installed in each basement and in each attached garage, and in each detached garage with electric power. See 210.8(A)(2) and (A)(5). Where a portion of the basement is finished into one or more habitable rooms, each separate unfinished portion shall have a receptacle outlet installed in accordance with this section.

Man, that's super-not-for-apartments. I wish I had have looked while he was there.

Fortunately, I have a six-bay garage waiting for inspection.

 

[hurk27]

Re: Apartments, 210.52, and Detached Garages, Oh my!

Now does 210.52(G) apply if the garage does not have any power within it but has a dusk til dawn fed either over head or underground to the outside of the garage?

I had this same discussion with a inspector who insisted upon a receptacle and lights be provided. I did give in as per builders instruction but I stood upon that because none of the conductors supplying the DTD was not within the structure it wasn't required.

 

[electricmanscott]

Re: Apartments, 210.52, and Detached Garages, Oh my!

So does the garage have power or not? If not no receptacle is required. I read the article and now I am confused. This isn't a one family dwelling. What article says that a detached garage in a multifamily dwelling must have a receptacle.?

[ July 15, 2005, 09:03 PM: Message edited by: electricmanscott ]

 

[physis]

Re: Apartments, 210.52, and Detached Garages, Oh my!

Sure does say for a one family dwelling.

I think I was ignoring the apartment or condos and thinking about whether a garage is covered by 210.52.

 

[hurk27]

Re: Apartments, 210.52, and Detached Garages, Oh my!

Me toooooooo

 

[benaround]

Re: Apartments, 210.52, and Detached Garages, Oh my!

Gentlemen,

1) Apartment : No

2) Condo : Yes,A condo,which a person owns,would be a single family dwelling .I think you have to find out what they are first.

frank

 

[George Stolz]

Re: Apartments, 210.52, and Detached Garages, Oh my!

Originally posted by electricmanscott:
What article says that a detached garage in a multifamily dwelling must have a receptacle.?

None I know of.

The inspector I spoke with referred to 210.52(G). (Off the top of his head, I might add. I was pleasantly surprised.

 

[George Stolz]

Re: Apartments, 210.52, and Detached Garages, Oh my!

Frank, a condo is a multifamily dwelling.

NEC-2002 Article 100
Dwelling, Multifamily. A building that contains three or more dwelling units.

A "One Family Dwelling" as referred to in 210.52(G) is literally, "A building that consists solely of one dwelling unit."

Whether it's renting an apartment or "owning" a "townhome", it's still a multifamily dwelling.

 

[hurk27]

Re: Apartments, 210.52, and Detached Garages, Oh my!

By Frank: Yes,A condo,which a person owns,would be a single family dwelling

It would depend on firewalls and building classification by building department.

 

[physis]

Re: Apartments, 210.52, and Detached Garages, Oh my!

I need a gremlin for dizzy.

[ July 16, 2005, 01:11 AM: Message edited by: physis ]

 

[celtic]

Re: Apartments, 210.52, and Detached Garages, Oh my!

Originally posted by physis:
I need a gremlin for dizzy.

How does that work for ya?

 

[physis]

Re: Apartments, 210.52, and Detached Garages, Oh my!

Not bad, but that one looks like he's just been hit in the head with a rock. But that's ok cause that's how I feel reading the NEC sometimes.

 

[celtic]

Re: Apartments, 210.52, and Detached Garages, Oh my!

Originally posted by physis:
Not bad, but that one looks like he's just been hit in the head with a rock.

We throw bricks...

..and then we dance the happy dance...

..or if we are on the recieving end, we dance the angry dance...

 

[hurk27]

Re: Apartments, 210.52, and Detached Garages, Oh my!

Some two three or even four unit or more townhouses sold as condos that have the proper firewalls between them around here can be considered as individual structures and require all utilities to be kept separate on there own property.

 

[physis]

Re: Apartments, 210.52, and Detached Garages, Oh my!

You only have to go to Article 100 for building and it's right there. But it's anything but intuitive. Or even accurate in Engish.

This is my election for most appropriate gremlin:

 

[hurk27]

Re: Apartments, 210.52, and Detached Garages, Oh my!

So Frank did get half right.

 

[physis]

Re: Apartments, 210.52, and Detached Garages, Oh my!

I'm gonna give Frank 25% because an apartment building can also be a bunch of buildings, that are only one building.

Edit: Oops, it is 50%.

[ July 16, 2005, 02:30 AM: Message edited by: physis ]

 

[electricmanscott]

Re: Apartments, 210.52, and Detached Garages, Oh my!

Have we found out if this garage has power in it at all? George? I still don't see the need for a receptacle yet. Sorry to disrupt the smiley show with info on the actual topic.