Appeal on ban for DIY permits for EV charger install or repair

Elect117 said:
I wonder if this is also an attempt at Ford to create their own charger install team. Or Tesla, or ChargePoint. That way they don't need the local license (like a C10) to do the work. They can hire and fire their own teams instead of needing contractors. They are qualified by the company they work for and not by the state or local.
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Except that’s not what’s happening. At least with regard to Ford and Tesla, not sure about CP. Ford uses QMerit who then select and sub the work to local ECs. Tesla has approved ECs that do their installs - I think we have some of them on this forum. Neither of them want to be in the residential wiring business.
 
No matter what the code says, or what your local permit rules are, there will never be anything that would actually prohibit anyone from installing the circuit and connecting the EV as long as anyone can walk into a big box store and buy the parts.
One exception would be if the work was visible from public property and the AHJ noticed the work, as that would be probable cause for an inspection. Outside of that the 4th Amendment rules here.
 
don_resqcapt19 said:
No matter what the code says, or what your local permit rules are, there will never be anything that would actually prohibit anyone from installing the circuit and connecting the EV as long as anyone can walk into a big box store and buy the parts.
One exception would be if the work was visible from public property and the AHJ noticed the work, as that would be probable cause for an inspection. Outside of that the 4th Amendment rules here.
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Got busted one time by the City of Atlanta, a big commercial developer we did work for was remodeling his house. All I had to do was cut in two can lights in the living room, but the carpenter had saw horses in the front yard, and had the front door off. Inspector drove by and seen it, red tagged the job. He said he would be back in an hour, and anybody left on the job was going to jail! LOL!
I was going to cut in an outlet in a furniture store for a display, as I was walking across the parking lot, the inspector pulled up and asked what I was fixing to do with the roll of mc cable on my shoulder? After I told him, he said I was not, but he wasn’t there for me, he was after another electrical contractor that was building out one of the retail spaces without a permit. Turns out, that EC had hired his son, but used him only as a gofer, and wasn’t training him.
 
hillbilly1 said:
Got busted one time by the City of Atlanta, a big commercial developer we did work for was remodeling his house. All I had to do was cut in two can lights in the living room, but the carpenter had saw horses in the front yard, and had the front door off. Inspector drove by and seen it, red tagged the job. He said he would be back in an hour, and anybody left on the job was going to jail! LOL!
I was going to cut in an outlet in a furniture store for a display, as I was walking across the parking lot, the inspector pulled up and asked what I was fixing to do with the roll of mc cable on my shoulder? After I told him, he said I was not, but he wasn’t there for me, he was after another electrical contractor that was building out one of the retail spaces without a permit. Turns out, that EC had hired his son, but used him only as a gofer, and wasn’t training him.
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Its always a question of "at what point should you definitely pull a permit". I would think major renovations or initial buildouts is a shoo-in. Individual circuits or a few cans.... Eh.

As you say, it doesn't take much happening in public for an inspector to spot you.
 
This whole line of thought is typical of what is seen around my area, Non-permitted work being done even though all electrical (other than limited direct replacement repair "like for like") is supposed to get a permit. No inspections, or false view that an inspection was done but alterations performed post inspections and being "sold" as if it was inspected and unless some other future inspection is done that finds an inadequacy and demands corrections or a catastrophic failure occurs such as fire, nothing is done. Home owners, handyman and even GC all doing their own electrical work without any training AFA the NEC and in many cases without permits and inspections are not likely to be stopped by simply adding more legislation. Dwelling occupancies are among the worst offenders of this mentality of "it costs too much", "who needs these stupid expensive AF", "it's only 120/240, and it can't cause any damage or injury".
 
don_resqcapt19 said:
Outside of that the 4th Amendment rules here.
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Rockefeller and Carnegie made bypassing the constitution routine.

Now the insurance industry governs property by cancellation and non-renewal, or presumed hazard for missing permits.

While we all Beg-Borrow-Steal from each other, only the aristocracy can Buy-Borrow-Die to avoid taxes.
 
ramsy said:
Rockefeller and Carnegie made bypassing the constitution routine.

Now the insurance industry governs property by cancellation and non-renewal, or presumed hazard for missing permits.

While we all Beg-Borrow-Steal from each other, only the aristocracy can Buy-Borrow-Die to avoid taxes.
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If no permit was pulled, no one really knows what has happened.
 
don_resqcapt19 said:
If no permit was pulled, no one really knows what has happened.
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With the mortgage paid off, and insurances long gone, hungry accident attorneys use missing permits to liquidate your estate, for medical expenses, legal fees, and punitive damages.

The 4th amendment wont console you, after losing everything.
 
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ramsy said:
With the mortgage paid off, and insurances long gone, hungry accident attorneys use missing permits, to liquidate your estate for medical expenses, legal fees, and punitive damages.
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No permit in my area for a dwelling would be detailed enough to know if the circuit was part of the original build or not. Of course that is a problem with older dwellings. Also many areas do not require permits for small jobs. Our local rule says no permit needed for jobs that take less than 8 hours.
 
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